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From Roman Sausarnes <romansausar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Concerns about the AOO community
Date Thu, 02 Oct 2014 18:04:13 GMT
I swear I am technically savvy, but I have not found an easy link to the
materials you reference.

I start at the homepage - www.openoffice.org

I click on "I want to participate in OpenOffice" link which takes me here:
http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html

I clink on the New Volunteer Orientation Modules
<http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html> link which takes me
here: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html

I click on the Introduction to Development
<http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html> link
which takes me here:
http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html

I click on the Building Guide
<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO> link
which takes me here:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO

That page has no instructions for how to build on Mac OS X, but it does
have a link titled Step-by-Step Building Guide for Different Platforms
<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step>
which
of course looks very promising.

But when you click on that link, it takes you here:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step

And that page offers detailed instructions for Ubuntu and Windows, but has
no links whatsoever to any materials regarding Mac OS X.

When I click on the link that you provided, I see the requirements for Mac
OS X and I see how to get started that is very helpful.

But compare that to the LibreOffice materials. I google "LibreOffice on Mac
OS X" and I get the following link:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/BuildingOnMac

I go to that link and it has step by step instructions on what to do.

I'm smart enough to be able to find what I am looking for, but I'm just
saying that as a total newcomer to both projects LibreOffice made it much
easier.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Roman Sausarnes <romansausarnes@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > As a newcomer to development who is looking for a way to get involved in
> > one project or the other, I thought I would share my impressions.
> >
> > The LibreOffice website and development materials seem friendlier to
> > newcomers. It is easier to navigate and find simple instructions for how
> to
> > get the code, set up a development environment, or contribute in other
> > ways. I use a Mac, and almost right away I found a detailed set of
> > instructions that was (relatively) current for how to build LO for the
> > first time on my machine.
> >
> > The AOO website is confusing and disorganized for people approaching it
> for
> > the first time and some of the information is outdated. I still haven't
> > found simple instructions for how to build on a Mac. I have found a set
> of
> > instructions but they are confusing, appear to be outdated, and suggest
> > that I need to install older Xcode, etc., without any suggestions or
> > resources on how to do it, if it is really necessary, etc.
> >
>
> ​Can you please be more explicit on this. From our angle, we create modules
> so that people could easily find the right information of the way they want
> to contribute. Going to www.openoffice.org and selecting you want to
> contribute will lead you to a series of tutorials on how to better get
> involved. Development starts with building for different platforms,
> including OSX.
>
> All in all is 4 clicks:
> Homepage -> Contributing page -> Development -> Building -> OSX (
>
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Building_on_MacOsX
> )
>
> The instructions are for 4.1 so they are pretty current. ​
>
>
>
> >
> > I haven't given up on AOO, and part of me wants to figure out how to do
> it
> > and then write the instructions clearly for the next person who comes
> > along, but you can understand how a person who is given two opportunities
> > is tempted to choose the one that is easier to get started on (the hard
> > work comes later - entry should be easy) and more clearly structured.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Chuck Davis <cjgunzel@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I've seen quite a number of new people show up here lately indicating
> > > interest coming from someplace.  If one out of 10 of them sticks and
> > > becomes a regular contributor the project is in a very good position I
> > > think.
> > >
> > > My observations regarding LO:
> > > 1)  They've copied some features from MS Office that make it equally
> > > difficult to use....It's not as pleasant to use as AOO.  It's very
> > > unfortunate the distributions have adopted LO in lieu of AOO.
> > > 2)  Their constant AOO bashing is a real turn-off for me and I hope
> > > others as well.  I don't think I want their people in our camp.
> > > 3)  They seem to be very proud of getting rid of Java and replacing it
> > > with Python.  I've looked at Python a little and it seems to me any
> > > language dependent on indentation rather than syntax is
> > > just........dumb!  There is nothing wrong with Java -- especially now
> > > that OpenJDK is the reference implementation and is being worked on by
> > > every major player except MS.
> > > 4)  LO seems to have major QC issues.  The quality is definitely
> > > several notches below where AOO rests in my experience.
> > >
> > > These are just my observations as a long time OpenOffice user.  And
> > > Apache has some very interesting related projects (i.e. ODF Toolkit)
> > > that can propel ODF as a standard reporting framework as well as the
> > > new project to read and write OOXML for document exchange.
> > >
> > > My advice:  stay the course.  Emphasize quality and dependability over
> > > glitz.  If developers are not attracted to AOO on those terms they're
> > > not developers the project needs.  Those of us in business just need a
> > > tool to get our work done and it doesn't need to be fancy -- just
> > > dependable.  LO falls on it's face at this point.
> > >
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> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
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