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From Roman Sausarnes <romansausar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Concerns about the AOO community
Date Thu, 02 Oct 2014 18:19:17 GMT
And I'm here to help, not just complain :) I'm still working out how I can
contribute...

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Roman Sausarnes <romansausarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Okay, I'm going to fess up and admit my mistake. I found the link on the
> "Building Guide" page (
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO) that
> takes you to the Mac OS X information.
>
> I see it now - I don't know why I didn't see it before - I was blind to
> it, except it was halfway down a very long page and not at all where I
> would expect to find it. I would expect to find it in the location titled:
> Step-by-Step Building Guide for Different Platforms. At the very top of the
> page is a link that claims to give step-by-step instructions for different
> platforms, but when you click on it, it says nothing about Mac OS X. And I
> still think that the information offered is not as clear or structured as
> the information on the LO site.
>
> I know that all of the information is there somewhere. I have found it in
> the past. It just always feels like I have to dig for it with AOO, whereas
> on LO it is easier.
>
> Hey, programming isn't for wimps. But other noobs have now raised similar
> points, so its more than just "user error".
>
> And I second the observation that the website is confusing - there are
> multiple sites with very different structures, sometimes with contradictory
> or outdated information, and no real semblance of common organization
> between them.
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Roman Sausarnes <romansausarnes@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I swear I am technically savvy, but I have not found an easy link to the
>> materials you reference.
>>
>> I start at the homepage - www.openoffice.org
>>
>> I click on "I want to participate in OpenOffice" link which takes me
>> here: http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html
>>
>> I clink on the New Volunteer Orientation Modules
>> <http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html> link which takes
>> me here: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html
>>
>> I click on the Introduction to Development
>> <http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html> link
>> which takes me here:
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html
>>
>> I click on the Building Guide
>> <http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO> link
>> which takes me here:
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO
>>
>> That page has no instructions for how to build on Mac OS X, but it does
>> have a link titled Step-by-Step Building Guide for Different Platforms
>> <http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step>
which
>> of course looks very promising.
>>
>> But when you click on that link, it takes you here:
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step
>>
>> And that page offers detailed instructions for Ubuntu and Windows, but
>> has no links whatsoever to any materials regarding Mac OS X.
>>
>> When I click on the link that you provided, I see the requirements for
>> Mac OS X and I see how to get started that is very helpful.
>>
>> But compare that to the LibreOffice materials. I google "LibreOffice on
>> Mac OS X" and I get the following link:
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/BuildingOnMac
>>
>> I go to that link and it has step by step instructions on what to do.
>>
>> I'm smart enough to be able to find what I am looking for, but I'm just
>> saying that as a total newcomer to both projects LibreOffice made it much
>> easier.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Roman Sausarnes <
>>> romansausarnes@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > As a newcomer to development who is looking for a way to get involved
>>> in
>>> > one project or the other, I thought I would share my impressions.
>>> >
>>> > The LibreOffice website and development materials seem friendlier to
>>> > newcomers. It is easier to navigate and find simple instructions for
>>> how to
>>> > get the code, set up a development environment, or contribute in other
>>> > ways. I use a Mac, and almost right away I found a detailed set of
>>> > instructions that was (relatively) current for how to build LO for the
>>> > first time on my machine.
>>> >
>>> > The AOO website is confusing and disorganized for people approaching
>>> it for
>>> > the first time and some of the information is outdated. I still haven't
>>> > found simple instructions for how to build on a Mac. I have found a
>>> set of
>>> > instructions but they are confusing, appear to be outdated, and suggest
>>> > that I need to install older Xcode, etc., without any suggestions or
>>> > resources on how to do it, if it is really necessary, etc.
>>> >
>>>
>>> ​Can you please be more explicit on this. From our angle, we create
>>> modules
>>> so that people could easily find the right information of the way they
>>> want
>>> to contribute. Going to www.openoffice.org and selecting you want to
>>> contribute will lead you to a series of tutorials on how to better get
>>> involved. Development starts with building for different platforms,
>>> including OSX.
>>>
>>> All in all is 4 clicks:
>>> Homepage -> Contributing page -> Development -> Building -> OSX (
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Building_on_MacOsX
>>> )
>>>
>>> The instructions are for 4.1 so they are pretty current. ​
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > I haven't given up on AOO, and part of me wants to figure out how to
>>> do it
>>> > and then write the instructions clearly for the next person who comes
>>> > along, but you can understand how a person who is given two
>>> opportunities
>>> > is tempted to choose the one that is easier to get started on (the hard
>>> > work comes later - entry should be easy) and more clearly structured.
>>> >
>>> > Just my two cents.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Chuck Davis <cjgunzel@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I've seen quite a number of new people show up here lately indicating
>>> > > interest coming from someplace.  If one out of 10 of them sticks and
>>> > > becomes a regular contributor the project is in a very good position
>>> I
>>> > > think.
>>> > >
>>> > > My observations regarding LO:
>>> > > 1)  They've copied some features from MS Office that make it equally
>>> > > difficult to use....It's not as pleasant to use as AOO.  It's very
>>> > > unfortunate the distributions have adopted LO in lieu of AOO.
>>> > > 2)  Their constant AOO bashing is a real turn-off for me and I hope
>>> > > others as well.  I don't think I want their people in our camp.
>>> > > 3)  They seem to be very proud of getting rid of Java and replacing
>>> it
>>> > > with Python.  I've looked at Python a little and it seems to me any
>>> > > language dependent on indentation rather than syntax is
>>> > > just........dumb!  There is nothing wrong with Java -- especially now
>>> > > that OpenJDK is the reference implementation and is being worked on
>>> by
>>> > > every major player except MS.
>>> > > 4)  LO seems to have major QC issues.  The quality is definitely
>>> > > several notches below where AOO rests in my experience.
>>> > >
>>> > > These are just my observations as a long time OpenOffice user.  And
>>> > > Apache has some very interesting related projects (i.e. ODF Toolkit)
>>> > > that can propel ODF as a standard reporting framework as well as the
>>> > > new project to read and write OOXML for document exchange.
>>> > >
>>> > > My advice:  stay the course.  Emphasize quality and dependability
>>> over
>>> > > glitz.  If developers are not attracted to AOO on those terms they're
>>> > > not developers the project needs.  Those of us in business just need
>>> a
>>> > > tool to get our work done and it doesn't need to be fancy -- just
>>> > > dependable.  LO falls on it's face at this point.
>>> > >
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>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
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>>>
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>>
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