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From Kay Schenk <>
Subject Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair
Date Tue, 13 Jan 2015 00:10:37 GMT

On 01/12/2015 03:32 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 12/01/2015 Marcus wrote:
>> I think both are close to each other as both
>> want to strengthen the community. Louis seems to focus on marketing (and
>> to improve the look other have from the outside) and Jan is focusing
>> more on resource improvements inside of the project. For realizing both
>> ideas we need to improve the community and its work.
>> So, what about to let both try to realize this as kind of dual chair?
> This is not a crazy idea at all. I mean, I'm certain that both will
> help, and that I will help actively too, and you Marcus, and all other
> active people, each in their favorite area. We will obviously need to
> elect one Chair, but this leaves unchanged opportunities for the others
> to help.
> The solution to what clearly is an issue (i.e., our PMC members listed
> at
> are not very active or very coordinated on average) can be different.
> Louis wrote about "facilitation", Jan wrote about "action", and these
> are two different ways to address the issue.
> One very clear thing is that the PMC will no longer be passively
> watching the others work, in any case. So guys, be prepared to have to
> be active! Would you work better with a certain candidate than with
> another one? Do you prefer a certain style? Please use this discussion
> to briefly state and exchange your views, and then we will move to voting.
> Regards,
>   Andrea.

I don't know how PMCs in other projects operate. I only know OpenOffice
because that's all I have time for. Andrea might actually be more of a
"do-er" chair than most. He does development, he does translation, he
attends many events, etc.

I have not actually tallied how many of our PMC "passively" watch as
opposed to work. It could be that those who are perceived as passive do
work we are not necessarily aware of.

All of us have on the PMC some notion of the kinds of resources we need
at this point. Even someone who characterizes himself as a "do-er" can
not manufacture certain elements on his own. The PMC, as a group, needs
to propose a plan, and then see what can be done to actualize it. I
imagine all of us have ideas about this. But Andrea's statement about
PMC members not being very coordinated does have validity. Maybe this is
because the project didn't start this way, being focused on resurrecting
the 3.4. release of with other priorities after that. So,
we really didn't start like a normal ground up project at Apache. Well I
could write a book on all this, but I doubt anyone wants to read it. :)

We all need to keep in mind that OpenOffice, like other Apache projects,
is composed of volunteers. Louis and Jan have different perspectives. In
any case we need a plan and the chair is not the only driving force.

OK, this was NOT brief. My apologies for that.


"There's a bit of magic in everything,
  and some loss to even things out."
                    -- Lou Reed

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