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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: PMC FAQ update
Date Thu, 05 Mar 2015 18:26:14 GMT
I am aligned with Simon and Louis on this.

Part of the reason for knowing who moderators and administrators are is for transparency.
 Civil names (sometimes pseudonyms, such as RGB-ES) could be used, although (optional?) Apache
IDs are very handy too.

Another reason is so if someone goes missing or there is some sort of turnover, it is possible
to easily determine that replacements or additions are required in order to have adequate
coverage.  That is related to sustainability.  One cannot address sustainability if it is
unknown who the incumbents are and where it is useful to add/train additional contributors.

It is not necessary to supply email addresses, which is apparently the main concern, especially
because some folks use private email addresses that are not widely-published for some mailings.
 (Those who have an Apache ID often do not use the corresponding email address, even on private
lists, and it always makes determination of binding votes all the more tricky.)

Knowing who is on the PMC and who is the Chair is a different matter and that is easily found,
just as it is easy to determine who are the committers on Apache OpenOffice.  In all of these
cases, the Apache ID is easy to determine even if it is not listed.

I fail to understand why anonymity is important for any of these list administration roles,
even for private@ and security@.  From my perspective, visibility comes with taking on those
duties, especially since there is unusual karma involved.  And having it recorded in a public
page that is kept current goes with the importance of having the information current and readily

I definitely agree this is a conversation for dev@.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: jan i [] 
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 07:39
Subject: Re: PMC FAQ update

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If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they should
publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the consent of the

My concern is not so much having the list of names, but more that it is
forced to participate. If people added themself to the list it would be ok
because it would be their own choice.

jan i

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