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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Subject RE: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update
Date Sat, 07 Mar 2015 19:45:59 GMT
I'll ask one more time.  What action is expected here on dev@ to impact how the PMC uses private@
?

I can't speak to what the volumes of private@ messages are without knowing what those discussions
were.  In the cases I have seen since I joined the PMC in February, discussions that should
be here have ended up here.

It is not unusual for something that starts legitimately on private@ to advance to something
that should be brought to dev@.  It perhaps could have started on dev@ but didn't.  Once it
starts on private@ it sometimes takes a little thrashing around before we catch ourselves
and the topic is reframed in a form for dev@ (i.e., without breaking confidences).  

There is no way for dev@ subscribers who are not on the PMC to know there are discussions
that should be on dev@ yet remain on private@.  The PMC has to police itself.

Any one of us can declare here that inappropriate use of private@ is happening, but anyone
not on private@ has no means to assess the facts and determine how serious it might be in
any particular case.  

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org] 
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 10:03
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; dennis.hamilton@acm.org
Subject: Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update

On Saturday, March 7, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
wrote:

> I am not certain exactly what issue is proposed to be discussed here.
>
> If you mean the over-use of private@ by the PMC, is there an issue to
> discuss?  Those of us on the PMC need to be attentive to minimizing private@
> discussions and bring to dev@ every discussion that is not one of the
> special cases requiring discreet usage of private@.
>
> Talking about it here doesn't seem necessary.  Who would disagree?  Those
> of us with PMC accountability need to make it so.  It is expected of all
> PMCs.


Well look at the numbers, I did not publish the numbers for 2014,  but you
will see a high number of mails on private@ so it seems that not all agree
to keep private@ low.

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