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From Kay Schenk <>
Subject Re: PMC FAQ update
Date Thu, 05 Mar 2015 21:42:55 GMT

On 03/05/2015 10:26 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I am aligned with Simon and Louis on this.
> Part of the reason for knowing who moderators and administrators are
> is for transparency.  Civil names (sometimes pseudonyms, such as
> RGB-ES) could be used, although (optional?) Apache IDs are very handy
> too.
> Another reason is so if someone goes missing or there is some sort of
> turnover, it is possible to easily determine that replacements or
> additions are required in order to have adequate coverage.  That is
> related to sustainability.  One cannot address sustainability if it
> is unknown who the incumbents are and where it is useful to add/train
> additional contributors.
> It is not necessary to supply email addresses, which is apparently
> the main concern, especially because some folks use private email
> addresses that are not widely-published for some mailings.  (Those
> who have an Apache ID often do not use the corresponding email
> address, even on private lists, and it always makes determination of
> binding votes all the more tricky.)
> Knowing who is on the PMC and who is the Chair is a different matter
> and that is easily found, just as it is easy to determine who are the
> committers on Apache OpenOffice.  In all of these cases, the Apache
> ID is easy to determine even if it is not listed.
> I fail to understand why anonymity is important for any of these list
> administration roles, even for private@ and security@.  From my
> perspective, visibility comes with taking on those duties, especially
> since there is unusual karma involved.  And having it recorded in a
> public page that is kept current goes with the importance of having
> the information current and readily available.
> I definitely agree this is a conversation for dev@.
> - Dennis

It seems our changes to make the PMC FAQ page make more sense had some
unintended, and based on this thread, some undesirable consequences.
Maybe some solutions for this--

[1] Put moderators on the Project mailing list page.
[2] Add a new cwiki page under Directory of Volunteers listing mailing
list moderators (easier to change but that could be a problem)

Other suggestions?

> -----Original Message----- From: jan i [] Sent:
> Thursday, March 5, 2015 07:39 To: Subject:
> Re: PMC FAQ update
> [ ... ]
> If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they
> should publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the
> consent of the people.
> My concern is not so much having the list of names, but more that it
> is forced to participate. If people added themself to the list it
> would be ok because it would be their own choice.
> rgds jan i
> [ ... ]
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