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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Subject RE: help needed on ODF standard for "auto" indent for paragraphs
Date Sat, 22 Aug 2015 15:15:12 GMT
In RTL (as well as TTB and BTT) the indentation will typically be in the reading direction.
 

In future releases of Apache OpenOffice, the Chinese case is going to use double-character
indentation when automatic indentation is specified in the paragraph style.  The change is
also being made in LibreOffice, so there will be interchange compatibility.

Microsoft Office evidently has no automatic indentation, so there is nothing to coordinate
there.  OpenOffice documents that are interchanged in .doc or .odt format will show up in
 Microsoft Office Word with no indentation on those paragraphs specified to have automatic
indentation in OpenOffice. 

The assumption with regard to legacy breakage of ODF document presentation is that there is
little use of auto-indentation in existing Chinese ODF documents.  That is because that indentation
does not satisfy the understood and widely-employed indentation style that would be honored
in important documents.

This is now covered at <https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126476>.

If anyone has a solid concrete objection to why this would be unacceptably breaking, we need
to know that quickly before LibreOffice and OpenOffice reflect this change in distributed
updates.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarrwrk@iol.ie] 
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 23:37
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: help needed on ODF standard for "auto" indent for paragraphs

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:23:22 -0700
"Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:

[ ... ]

I cannot answer for what happens when using R to L type or what (if any) is the typesetting
"norm" for such languages.  I'll root around later today to see if I can come up with anything,
but I'm going offline shortly to do Saturday things.

Rory

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarrwrk@iol.ie] 
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 14:20
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: help needed on ODF standard for "auto" indent for paragraphs
> 
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 13:57:59 -0700
> Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > This is in regard to issue
> > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126476
> > 
> > I can't easily locate what the ODF 1.2 standard is on calculation for a
> > first line auto indent for a paragraph. Well I found this --
> > http://officeopenxml.com/WPindentation.php
> > 
> > but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. :/
> > 
> > In any case, if the standard is consistent regardless of font, it seems
> > our calcs may be incorrect for some Asian fonts (maybe encoding factors
> > are not correctly taken into account) and that is the reason the patch
> > was submitted for this issue. It would be nice if this calculation did
> > happen correctly so users would not have to manually adjust the indent
> > for paragraph first line.
> >
> 
> Kay,
> 
> Merely for information, the printing standard I grew up with is that the usual indent
for a paragraph in body type is one em, that is on 12 pt type, 12 pts, 18 pt type, 18 pts
etc.  I believe this is the convention followed in OO's Paragraph style definition on the
Indents and Spacing tab, when "Automatic" is checked  for first line indentation.
> 
> If you need references for the one em indent I can provide them.
> 
> Rory
> 
>  
> -- 
> Rory O'Farrell <ofarrwrk@iol.ie>
> 
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