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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: help needed on ODF standard for "auto" indent for paragraphs
Date Mon, 24 Aug 2015 21:06:59 GMT


On 08/22/2015 08:15 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> In RTL (as well as TTB and BTT) the indentation will typically be in
> the reading direction.
> 
> In future releases of Apache OpenOffice, the Chinese case is going to
> use double-character indentation when automatic indentation is
> specified in the paragraph style.  The change is also being made in
> LibreOffice, so there will be interchange compatibility.
> 
> Microsoft Office evidently has no automatic indentation, so there is
> nothing to coordinate there.  OpenOffice documents that are
> interchanged in .doc or .odt format will show up in  Microsoft Office
> Word with no indentation on those paragraphs specified to have
> automatic indentation in OpenOffice.
> 
> The assumption with regard to legacy breakage of ODF document
> presentation is that there is little use of auto-indentation in
> existing Chinese ODF documents.  That is because that indentation
> does not satisfy the understood and widely-employed indentation style
> that would be honored in important documents.
> 
> This is now covered at
> <https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126476>.
> 
> If anyone has a solid concrete objection to why this would be
> unacceptably breaking, we need to know that quickly before
> LibreOffice and OpenOffice reflect this change in distributed
> updates.
> 
> - Dennis

This patch by Mark Hung is now committed. Additional testing can be done
from buildbot builds which run later tonight.

Additional findings/comments should be made on the issue.

> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Rory O'Farrell
> [mailto:ofarrwrk@iol.ie] Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 23:37 To:
> dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: help needed on ODF standard
> for "auto" indent for paragraphs
> 
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:23:22 -0700 "Dennis E. Hamilton"
> <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> I cannot answer for what happens when using R to L type or what (if
> any) is the typesetting "norm" for such languages.  I'll root around
> later today to see if I can come up with anything, but I'm going
> offline shortly to do Saturday things.
> 
> Rory
> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarrwrk@iol.ie]
>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 14:20 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
>> Subject: Re: help needed on ODF standard for "auto" indent for
>> paragraphs
>> 
>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 13:57:59 -0700 Kay Schenk
>> <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> This is in regard to issue 
>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126476
>>> 
>>> I can't easily locate what the ODF 1.2 standard is on calculation
>>> for a first line auto indent for a paragraph. Well I found this
>>> -- http://officeopenxml.com/WPindentation.php
>>> 
>>> but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. :/
>>> 
>>> In any case, if the standard is consistent regardless of font, it
>>> seems our calcs may be incorrect for some Asian fonts (maybe
>>> encoding factors are not correctly taken into account) and that
>>> is the reason the patch was submitted for this issue. It would be
>>> nice if this calculation did happen correctly so users would not
>>> have to manually adjust the indent for paragraph first line.
>>> 
>> 
>> Kay,
>> 
>> Merely for information, the printing standard I grew up with is
>> that the usual indent for a paragraph in body type is one em, that
>> is on 12 pt type, 12 pts, 18 pt type, 18 pts etc.  I believe this
>> is the convention followed in OO's Paragraph style definition on
>> the Indents and Spacing tab, when "Automatic" is checked  for first
>> line indentation.
>> 
>> If you need references for the one em indent I can provide them.
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>> 
>> -- Rory O'Farrell <ofarrwrk@iol.ie>
>> 
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> 

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