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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: help needed on ODF standard for "auto" indent for paragraphs
Date Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:19:32 GMT
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Rory O'Farrell <ofarrwrk@iol.ie> wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:23:22 -0700
> "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
>
> > I suspect the Roman alphabet, conventional-font space-/indent-sizing is
> inapplicable for some Asian languages.  (I hope the Asian setting is
> specifically for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) or we could be having
> problems with some very complex language scripts as well.
> >
> > Rory, I don't believe "automatic" is on by default, so someone must be
> defining styles this way, you think?
>
> You are right, "Automatic" first line indent is not on by default.  The
> default condition is that first line indent is selected as zero (i.e. no
> indent), as are the indents before and after every line of the paragraph; I
> think  this is reasonable behavour,  If "Automatic" is checked, then the 1
> em indent is applied i.e., an indent of the type size.  The Help file says
> "Automatically indents a paragraph according to the font size and the line
> spacing. The setting in the First Line box is ignored."
>

I'm not really sure this auto indent is 1 em. This is really the heart of
my question. What ist the calculation for this? OK, I will investigate
further.

Thank you for your response.


>
> The current fashion in much in-house writing is not to indent, instead
> marking paragraphs by a line of white space.  From a conservationist's
> point of view this uses more paper - I leave aside any question of
> aesthetics or ease of reading.
>
> I cannot answer for what happens when using R to L type or what (if any)
> is the typesetting "norm" for such languages.  I'll root around later today
> to see if I can come up with anything, but I'm going offline shortly to do
> Saturday things.
>
> Rory
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarrwrk@iol.ie]
> > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 14:20
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: help needed on ODF standard for "auto" indent for paragraphs
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 13:57:59 -0700
> > Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > This is in regard to issue
> > > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126476
> > >
> > > I can't easily locate what the ODF 1.2 standard is on calculation for a
> > > first line auto indent for a paragraph. Well I found this --
> > > http://officeopenxml.com/WPindentation.php
> > >
> > > but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. :/
> > >
> > > In any case, if the standard is consistent regardless of font, it seems
> > > our calcs may be incorrect for some Asian fonts (maybe encoding factors
> > > are not correctly taken into account) and that is the reason the patch
> > > was submitted for this issue. It would be nice if this calculation did
> > > happen correctly so users would not have to manually adjust the indent
> > > for paragraph first line.
> > >
> >
> > Kay,
> >
> > Merely for information, the printing standard I grew up with is that the
> usual indent for a paragraph in body type is one em, that is on 12 pt type,
> 12 pts, 18 pt type, 18 pts etc.  I believe this is the convention followed
> in OO's Paragraph style definition on the Indents and Spacing tab, when
> "Automatic" is checked  for first line indentation.
> >
> > If you need references for the one em indent I can provide them.
> >
> > Rory
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rory O'Farrell <ofarrwrk@iol.ie>
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> Rory O'Farrell <ofarrwrk@iol.ie>
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