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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <orc...@apache.org>
Subject RE: [DISCUSS] SUSTAINABILITY: The AOO PMC
Date Wed, 09 Sep 2015 13:06:52 GMT
Thanks, Andrea

<orcnote>s in-line.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pescetti@apache.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 00:25
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] SUSTAINABILITY: The AOO PMC

On 09/09/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> the only nominee to step forward had been on the PMC six months

I don't see this as a major issue. I mean, it was the third Chair 
election of the year (and it was still August), it came unexpected and 
we had seen painful nomination/acceptance/declination stories in the 
previous months;  I believe this is the reason why people, knowing that 
you were already available, did not jump in and nominate themselves.

<orcmid>
   Until I suddenly had the job did I appreciate how much my shallow
   experience on the PMC was not enough and I am having to be a very
   quick learner.  If I had not been a regular reader/participant on
   general-incubator, dev-community, and legal-discuss I would have
   been even more unprepared (though unlikely to have stood up in that
   case).  It helps that I have the personal time to dig into matters.
      It is fortunate that I have some experience from outside of the
   ASF and non-open-source work.  Although the ASF way is unique, 
   I resonate with it.
</orcmid>

> That Chair-elect will retire in September, 2016.

OK, this is very useful for proper planning.

>    2015-08-23 Jan Iverson retired

Iversen!
<orcnote>
   Yes, thank you.  I trust that I am getting better.  
</orcnote>

> The complete PMC membership history is available at
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/pmc/project-state/2015-09-08-PMC-MembershipStatus.pdf

This is an excellent document. I've checked it and indeed this one is 
much better and (as soon as you have the privileges for doing so, which 
should be a matter of days now, Board Meeting is next week) 
http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice-pmc 
should definitely be aligned to it. Your file has better information.

> ACTION PLAN
> Collect and maintain materials on everything that involves a Chair

There is nothing special for OpenOffice in this respect. So adding 
questions/answers to http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html will suffice 
(but that page is already very comprehensive).

<orcmid>
   I am thinking about all the matters that are known tacitly but not
   necessarily to a newcomer.  There is also a small matter of 
   prerequisite knowledge, such as 
     slogin to people.apache.org and running
     $ modify_committee.pl openoffice --rm=whoseit
   to a duffer such as myself.
</orcmid>

> September 2016 PMC have at least three able and available candidates for recommendation
as new Chair

As for having 3 people who would have the minimal knowledge to act as 
Chair, I think we already have them, and PMC involvement in Chair duties 
will be enough. I don't see the need to have 3 or more candidates (i.e., 
it is important to have people with the right knowledge, it is not 
important that all of them run for election): it might happen that, 
implicitly or explicitly, the viable candidates find consensus on one of 
them.

<orcmid>
   I agree completely, although capacity and willingness matter too.  
      My benchmark is how the Incubator PMC last changed 
   Chairs.  As far as I can tell they have a deep bench,
   and with a short discussion among the willing on the general list,
   there was consensus and, so far as I know, a [VOTE] was not needed.
   It that is achieved in 2016, I'll declare victory [;<).
</orcmid>

Regards,
   Andrea.

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