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From Stuart J Mackintosh <...@opusvl.com>
Subject Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
Date Sun, 06 Sep 2015 09:39:35 GMT
Dennis,

Thank you for your considered reply.

> I assume 2015-09-08T16:00 is UTC+0100 (BST)?
>

Yes, that is correct.

> I think there are two matters.
>
> First, it would be very useful to know what the modifications to the 
> “Application Choices” table are, and also anything new with respect to 
> differences concerning the International Standards mentioned and also 
> application differences.
>

The purpose of the booklet is to provide a concise and high level 
introduction to ODF, targeted at the public sector and corporate sectors.

On reflection, we were not comfortable with the previously published 
"Application Choices"  table, we feel it was not fully considered, so it 
will be replaced in this version. I have included the proposed 
replacement table at the end of this email and hope it is readable on 
the list. Eligible entries are those that support Open Document Format.

> Secondly, I am concerned that there are various advocacy and 
> high-level claims that may be inappropriate for the ASF and, 
> consequently, Apache OpenOffice, to appear associated with.That’s a 
> provisional observation. Further discussion will occur here, I’m certain.
>
> Factors I think the Apache OpenOffice community needs to consider are
>
> 1.The mission of the ASF is “to provide software for the public good,” 
> expanded on at http://www.apache.org/foundation/.
>
> 2.As part of serving a public interest, the ASF also tasks itself and 
> its project to operate as good open-source citizens.In particular, 
> there are no claims or observations made about the work of non-ASF 
> projects and non-open-source projects of any kind.The ASF does not 
> speak to the quality of International Standards, either.I am certain 
> individuals who participate on ASF Projects have many views of their 
> own about this.As far as I know, the ASF does not make that its 
> business just the same.
>
> 3.To the best of my knowledge, the Apache OpenOffice project has never 
> made an auditable, verifiable claim that its support for ODF 1.2 is 
> “full,” although there are implementation-defined/dependent and even 
> unspecified features in the ODF 1.2 specification that could be 
> identified in some sort of Apache OpenOffice profile of its ODF 1.2 
> support.I do not believe such a profile is available at this time.
>
> Those are my concerns.We will probably be discussing them for a few 
> days here.
>
> I personally favor the technical activities of the ODF Plugfests and 
> also the informational activities of the Plugfest events.The only 
> issue is how sponsoring the “Open Document Principles” booklet 
> reflects on the AOO Project’s charge to operate with good will to all 
> software projects and focus on producing software, free to the public, 
> as a public good.
>

I appreciate the integrity of the ASF, and other pro-Open organizations 
and I am keen to respect these. Equally, the public sector and corporate 
spaces operate in a different way, and can be fearful of these Open 
cultures.
My intention is to use this document as a "bridge" to inform the 
corporate sectors in a manner that is accessible to them, without 
misrepresentation. I welcome any feedback and guidance to ensure that we 
are working within your principles.

It would be of benefit to the reader to include AOO in the document, and 
to take on board any input from the Apache OO community on both the 
"Open Document Format principles for Government Technology" booklet and 
associated graphic.

Regarding the request for £100 to support the production of the booklet, 
that is only to have your logo featured on the inside back cover, it 
does not relate to inclusion in the Application Choices table, and goes 
toward the cost of printing and distribution.

Best regards,

Stuart.

# Application Choices table

Software

	

License

	

Formats (file types)

	

Platforms

	

Support

	

Link

	

Notes

Abiword

	

GPL

	


	


	


	

http://www.abiword.org/

	


Apache Open Office

	

Open Source

	

All

	


	

Community

	

https://www.openoffice.org/

	


Calligra (KDE)

	

Open Source

	

All

	

Linux, Windows, OSX, Android

	

Community

	

https://www.calligra.org/

	

While there are binaries for Windows, OSX & Android, platforms, they are 
currently not officially supported and not recreated for every release. 
It is planned change that with the upcoming 3.0 release end of 2015

EuroOffice

	

Open Source

	


	

Windows, Linux, Android

	

Commercial

	

http://www.multiracio.com/

	


EuroOffice Professional

	

Proprietary

	


	

Windows, Linux

	

Commercial

	

http://www.multiracio.com/

	


Google Docs

	

Proprietary

	


	


	

Commercial

	

http://www.google.com/docs/about/

	


LibreOffice

	

Open Source

	

All

	

Linux, Windows, OSX, Android

	

Community

	

https://www.libreoffice.org/

	


LibreOffice powered by CIB

	

Proprietary

	


	


	


	

http://libreoffice.cib.de/

	


LibreOffice-from-Collabora

	

MPL

	

All

	


	

Commercial

	

https://libreoffice-from-collabora.com/

	

Some extensions provided with the commercial support are proprietary

Microsoft Office 2013/365

	

Proprietary

	


	


	

Commercial

	

https://products.office.com/

	


OnlyOffice Enterprise

	

Proprietary

	

odt ods odp

	


	

Commercial

	

http://www.onlyoffice.com/enterprise-edition.aspx

	


OnlyOffice Free

	

AGPL v.3

	

odt ods odp

	


	

Community

	

http://www.onlyoffice.com/

	


OpenXchange

	


	


	


	


	

https://www.open-xchange.com/

	


Zoho

	


	


	


	


	

https://www.zoho.com/docs/

	








> *From:*Stuart J Mackintosh [mailto:sm@opusvl.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, September 4, 2015 10:27
> *To:* orcmid@apache.org; dev@openoffice.apache.org; 'Roberto 
> Galoppini' <roberto.galoppini@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* 'Graham Taylor' <graham@openforumeurope.org>
> *Subject:* Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
>
> Dennis,
>
>     Do you have a hard deadline, and is that imminent?
>
> Sorry that this came so late for you. As I am sure you understand, it 
> takes time to muster volunteer commitment so we are somewhat against 
> the clock. There is an imminent deadline, print will be finalised and 
> sent Tuesday 08/09/2015 at 16:00.
>
>     Also, if there is some sort of draft that we can use for context,
>     that would be helpful.
>
> Yes, the 11th ODF Plugfest booklet titled "Open Document Format 
> principles for Government Technology" will follow a similar style and 
> content to the booklet produced after the 10th Plugfest and published 
> on Document Freedom Day 2015 (downloadable from 
> http://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/283/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology-March-2015.pdf),

> but updated to reflect the Dutch government involvement in the 11th 
> plugfest and an improved "Application Choices" table.
>
> An A3 poster copy of the ODF infograpic (downloadable from 
> http://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/281/OFE-COIS-ODF-infographic-release-02150325-by-sa.png)

> will also be printed and enclosed within the 11th Plugfest booklet, 
> both printed in English and Dutch.
>
> The document and many translations make up the OFE ODF toolkit which 
> can be found here: http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/
>
> I hope this helps inform you of our project.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart.
>
> PS Louis, thanks for the note.
>
>
>     -- Dennis E. Hamilton
>
>     orcmid@apache.org <mailto:orcmid@apache.org>
>
>     dennis.hamilton@acm.org
>     <mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org>+1-206-779-9430
>
>     https://keybase.io/orcmidPGP F96E 89FF D456 628A
>
>     X.509 certs used and requested for signed e-mail
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>
>     From: Basil Cousins [mailto:basil@openforumeurope.org]
>
>     Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 08:12
>
>     To: Roberto Galoppini <roberto.galoppini@gmail.com>
>     <mailto:roberto.galoppini@gmail.com>
>
>     Cc: dev <dev@openoffice.apache.org>
>     <mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org>; Stuart Mackintosh
>     <sm@opusvl.com> <mailto:sm@opusvl.com>; Graham Taylor
>     <graham@openforumeurope.org> <mailto:graham@openforumeurope.org>
>
>     Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets
>
>     Roberto,
>
>     The designers are pressing us hard.I will put in Apache OO Logo
>
>     provisionally. OK?
>
>     Basil
>
>     On 4 September 2015 at 15:37, Roberto Galoppini
>     <roberto.galoppini@gmail.com <mailto:roberto.galoppini@gmail.com>
>
>         wrote:
>
>         Basil,
>
>         I'm sure you'll get an answer, but unfortunately I can't
>         commit to provide
>
>         you with an answer in a short time frame. Our Chair will sort
>         out a way to
>
>         manage this situation, though.
>
>         Roberto
>
>         2015-09-04 16:25 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins
>         <basil@openforumeurope.org> <mailto:basil@openforumeurope.org>:
>
>             Roberto,
>
>             We need to close very soon.When can you let me know about
>             English
>
>             version?
>
>             Basil
>
>             On 4 September 2015 at 15:04, Roberto Galoppini <
>
>             roberto.galoppini@gmail.com
>             <mailto:roberto.galoppini@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                 Hi Basil,
>
>                 Nice to catch up again. I want to clarify that here
>                 I'm expressing only
>
>                 my opinion, we do need the PMC to establish if we want
>                 - as a community -
>
>                 to sponsor the English version.
>
>                 Thanks,
>
>                 2015-09-04 14:31 GMT+02:00 Basil Cousins
>                 <basil@openforumeurope.org>
>                 <mailto:basil@openforumeurope.org>:
>
>                     Hi Roberto,
>
>                     Great to be in touch.I will ask Graham Taylor to
>                     raise an invoice for
>
>                     £100+VAT to cover the English Version.
>
>                     Can you let us have the address to be put on the
>                     invoice?
>
>                     Shal we use the same logo as in the London version
>                     for Apache Open
>
>                     Office or is there a more recent one?
>
>                     Basil
>
>     [ ... ]
>
> -- 
>
> Stuart J Mackintosh
>
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>
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Stuart J Mackintosh

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• Open Source Specialists

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