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From Kay Schenk <>
Subject Re: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO
Date Thu, 01 Sep 2016 21:49:18 GMT

On 07/11/2016 09:44 PM, Suminda Dharmasena wrote:
> This is exactly what I had in mind also.

>From the original post of:

None of the approaches listed below is what I imagined.

The original post seemed like a suggestion  to form basically a
"foundation" to fund developers.

So that seemed pretty straight forward. No one needs our blessing for that.
Any contributions, paid or otherwise, need to follow the Apache Way in
terms of contributions etc. Neither the current developers or PMC need
to agree to that. This is mentioned in Item 5 below. If any of the
existing developers wanted to join such a foundation, this would be OK
too. None of this would have any bearing on the way we currently operate
as a project in the Apache Software Foundation.

Except for the original core "developers" that signed up for inclusion
in the "OpenOffice" project back in 2011,

every commmitter/developer on this project has undergone the same
initiation rites of making significant contributions to the project.

>> Another way to interact and support Apache OpenOffice in terms of
>> collaborative contributions is as follows.
>>  1. Establish a downstream producer, TeamX (for example), that provides
>> releases of derivative software based on Apache OpenOffice.
>>  2. Assumption #1: The Apache License Version 2 (ALv2) is honored in the
>> use of Apache OpenOffice source code.  Apache trademark requirements are
>> satisfied in any use as part of the branding of the downstream product.
>>  3. Assumption #2: New code and modifications to the TeamX derivative are
>> also under ALv2.
>>  4. Open-Source Good Citizenship: The ALv2-licensed fixes and repairs are
>> contributed back upstream to Apache OpenOffice.  Components from other
>> sources would, of course, be contributed upstream to those sources.
>> Contributions and joint concerns might lead to use of the OpenOffice
>> bugzilla as a coordination point.
>>  5. Opportunity.  The business model, organization, and governance of
>> TeamX is not of concern to the ASF.
>>  6. Opportunity.  The Apache Software Foundation requirements beyond
>> honoring of the ALv2 that govern Apache projects serving the public
>> interest do not apply, although TeamX could operate in a harmonious manner.
>>  7. Opportunity. So long as there is clear separation and no comingling in
>> source-code files, TeamX is not constrained from also using code or
>> components from other projects, such as those using licenses such as the
>> MPL or, under appropriate conditions, something like LGPL2, with
>> appropriate honoring of those licenses too.  However, to avoid tainting of
>> upstream source-code contributions back to Apache OpenOffice, there must be
>> careful management of IP and reliance on code (source or binary) under
>> non-ALv2 license (and ALv2 code which is not the original work of TeamX).
>>  8. Opportunity. Depending on how close the operation of TeamX releases
>> remains to that of Apache OpenOffice, especially at the beginning, one can
>> rely on the Apache OpenOffice mediawiki and site in large
>> measure, so long as there is no confusion.  Also, the Apache OpenOffice
>> Community Forums are more ecumenical in how they can provide forum support
>> to ODF-supporting products. How confusion is avoided
>> would need to be worked out, but this provides TeamX time to develop its
>> own support as that ends up having unique requirements.
>> This is not unlike how downstream organizations rely on Apache OpenOffice
>> for specialized distributions (e.g., FreeBSD, OS/2, and Solaris).  There
>> are other Apache projects where the downstream ecosystem is quite robust
>> and the key Apache project deliverable is the source-code release and not
>> so much any end-user binary distributions.
>>  - Dennis
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Kay Schenk
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