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From Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie>
Subject Re: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO
Date Thu, 01 Sep 2016 17:30:54 GMT
On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 09:58:04 -0700
"Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:

> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dr. Michael Stehmann [mailto:anwalt@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 22:04
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO
> > 
> > Am 01.09.2016 um 00:59 schrieb Simon Phipps:
> > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:44 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <
> > > dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: toki [mailto:toki.kantoor@gmail.com]
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:30
> > >>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > >>> Subject: Re: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO
> > >>>
> > >>> On 31/08/2016 16:26, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> > >>>
> > >> I think that is the case because downstream producers, who get the
> > support
> > >> business, contribute to their upstream framework or source-code
> > distributor.
> > >>
> > >> What indication is there that any of that is working for Apache
> > >> OpenOffice?  Maybe if we stopped shipping binaries?  How would that
> > work
> > >> for the individuals who seem to dominate our download consumption?
> > >
> > >
> > > Since the "downstream" producers seem better equipped to deliver
> > signed and
> > > vulnerability-corrected binaries to non-specialist consumers on a
> > timely
> > > schedule, maybe delegating downloads to them would be a good option
> > for the
> > > project?
> > 
> > Stopping shipping binaries would cause some negative effect for our
> > project, so it might be an option, but not best one.
> > 
> > Binaries made by our community are essential for our QA.
> > 
> > Without them we stand "with empty hands" in the public with negative
> > effects for our brand and image.
> > 
> > Supporting our users by community members would break down.
> > 
> > So the impact for the improvement of our commity would be tremendous, if
> > we "delegate" this tasks to a third party.
> [orcmid] 
> 
> I agree with Michael.  Ceasing to provide builds from Apache OpenOffice but having a
downstream producer provide them would be retirement of Apache OpenOffice in everything but
name only.

I agree emphatically.  Most OO users want to download and go - they have not the time or skills
to build a version, which  is not as trivial task, as frequenters of the dev ML will be aware.
 

RoryOF 

> 
> Also, the "downstream" in this thread refers to sellers of support who apparently package
their own versions.  We see no contributions back to the code base from any of those, whoever
they might be.
> 
> This is different than existence of forks and openoffice.org-descendant cousins who operate
their own code base and support it, whoever those might be.  While that might be disagreeable
to some, it is in the spirit of open-source and the commitment of the Apache Software Foundation
to serving the public interest.  (The protection of the respective trademarks is a different
matter with respect to avoiding confusion about the origin of the effort.)
> 
> 
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > Michael
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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