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From Jörg Schmidt <joe...@j-m-schmidt.de>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)
Date Tue, 06 Sep 2016 20:25:36 GMT
The task of AOO is not the formulation of their own death message, but the further development
of the project, *even* in difficult times. 

There was the proposal to publish a new release in November (during ApacheCon), that is imho
a right step.


Jörg

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan Høydahl [mailto:jan.asf@cominvent.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 10:00 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement 
> Involve? (long)
> 
> A well written Press Release from the AOO PMC could be a 
> timely move now?
> It could be published on the Apache blog as well as sent to 
> various editors.
> The PR should be short, to the point and suitable for 
> copy/paste into news articles.
> It should paint the broader picture, the state of the 
> project, the current push for
> more developers etc. It could also explain ASF's focus on 
> healthy communities,
> as an explanation for the [DISCUSS] thread, and the fact that 
> an Apache project 
> not longer able to produce releases *may* end up being retired.
> 
> Could we get writing help from Apache public relations staff?
> 
> --
> Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
> Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com
> 
> > 6. sep. 2016 kl. 20.13 skrev Jim Jagielski <jim@jaguNET.com>:
> > 
> > Not sure how this will come across... I am certain I will not
> > be fully understood about this, anyway, this question deserves an
> > answer.
> > 
> > What has been obvious, from following the numerous threads 
> in various
> > places, as well as contributing to the 2 main ones, is just how much
> > "damage" Rob Weir has either done or has been attributed to 
> have done.
> > I guess the best way to state it is that he was a very "polarizing"
> > person...
> > 
> > Now a lot of the ill-will (and even worse, the hate) 
> directed towards
> > AOO is not due to anything we personally did, but is simply 
> redirected
> > venom, mostly due to how LO felt abused and used by Oracle and that
> > somehow we were complicit in it (this fallacy, of course, 
> was maintained
> > by people who had a not-so-hidden-agenda to create and reinforce the
> > division between AOO and LO). There was really very, very 
> little rational
> > cause for TDF/LO hating Apache and AOO so much... or, at 
> least, developers
> > on that side being so antagonist towards Apache (I am 
> ignoring, for the
> > present, those extreme copyleft proponents who have issue 
> w/ permissive
> > licensing for anything). What I'm basically saying is that we did
> > nothing really to deserve the hate...
> > 
> > ... except for maybe some of the "over zealous" statements by Rob.
> > 
> > What is kinda clear is that there is still a lot of sting there.
> > 
> > Now I did somewhat try to "explain" how such 
> over-zealousness shouldn't
> > be so surprising, considering what he was fighting against 
> (this explanation
> > was in the LWN thread), but rationalization isn't excuse.
> > 
> > No, I am not saying we focus on the past... but while we are
> > here for the present and future, we shouldn't "ignore" the past
> > but rather acknowledge it, and then bury it.
> > 
> > After all, aren't we asking TDF/LO to do the same??
> > 
> >> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Marcus <marcus.mail@wtnet.de> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Am 09/06/2016 05:22 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
> >>> +1
> >>> 
> >>> I'm here for the present and the future, not the past.
> >> 
> >> I also don't know what a single person - which has left 
> the project long ago - has to do with a "what-if-or-if-not" 
> thinking game.
> >> 
> >> Marcus
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 9/6/2016 8:15 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> On 2016-09-02 09:02 (-0400), Jorg Schmidt <joesch@j-m-schmidt.de>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> never we forget how members of OpenOffice (for example, 
> Rob Weir)
> >>>>> were insulted by TDF representatives.
> >>>> 
> >>>> It's important, in all of this conversation, to keep the 
> interests of
> >>>> the *users* first. This project is about producing 
> software for the
> >>>> public good, not about winning some contest, or nursing our hurt
> >>>> feelings. We owe it to the users to forgive and forget actual and
> >>>> perceived insults, and move on with our lives. 
> Otherwise, what the
> >>>> heck are we doing here?
> >> 
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