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From Jörg Schmidt <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)
Date Fri, 02 Sep 2016 10:17:18 GMT

> From: Dr. Michael Stehmann [] 

> the situation as I see it (I am no developer) is, that we need
> "developers, developers, developers, developers ... ".

> [...]

This is not wrong, but ...

Developers will participate primarily in projects which remain publicly well.

If we look at LibreOffice and compare:
LibreOffice, that is *good* (not more) software and *excellent* public relations.
OpenOffice, that is *exellent* software and *pretty bad* public relations.

We need to understand evaluate software as the normal user: their first scale is essential
to public presentation of a software, and only secondarily the purely technical characteristics
of a software.

We need to understand the difference between a software such as the Apache Webserver
(a software for experts) and OpenOffice (a software for end users).

The problem of AOO is a Specific:

many people who have worked for OOo (.org!) done their way and OOo has accepted the results
and the work integrated into the project.

The operation of Apache is too formalistic for such people, for example, for the local German
community of OpenOffice. At the time of many helpers did their part, because
there were few organizational hurdles.

I have been working for many years for the PrOOo-box (, at the very
beginning was that a purely private project, BUT it was always a project to support OpenOffice.
The community of OOo has recognized this and has the PrOOo-box as part of OpenOffice accepted
(more precisely, as part of the German community of OO).

In Apache, however we are only "third-party". No question, the classification as "third-party"
is formally correct, because it conforms to the rules of Apache, but it inhibits the practical

*It is urgently needed to give local communities more autonomy, which would forward the work.*

Let me say for my own:
I work more than 10 years for OpenOffice (.org and Apache) and I am all the time loyal to
OpenOffice. I am now a committer of Apache, and of course I respect the rules of Apache ...
BUT in practice, there are task where you have to act, and it is not always time to comply
with formalities.

Last month, the PrOOo-box was published in a large German IT magazine [1]. This was a great
success for the PrOOo-box. I would have preferred if it had been a success for OpenOffice.

What i mean?
We (the german community, and all local communities) need the opportunity to speak locally
for OpenOffice. It is undisputed that this must be coordinated with the international Apache
OpenOffice community, but this coordination can only be done in the form of a frame, not for
every single little action, because we have no time for the coordination of every detail.



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