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From "Keith N. McKenna" <keith.mcke...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)
Date Wed, 07 Sep 2016 00:34:31 GMT
Simos Xenitellis wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
>> Not sure how this will come across... I am certain I will not
>> be fully understood about this, anyway, this question deserves an
>> answer.
>>
>> What has been obvious, from following the numerous threads in various
>> places, as well as contributing to the 2 main ones, is just how much
>> "damage" Rob Weir has either done or has been attributed to have done.
>> I guess the best way to state it is that he was a very "polarizing"
>> person...
>>
>> Now a lot of the ill-will (and even worse, the hate) directed towards
>> AOO is not due to anything we personally did, but is simply redirected
>> venom, mostly due to how LO felt abused and used by Oracle and that
>> somehow we were complicit in it (this fallacy, of course, was maintained
>> by people who had a not-so-hidden-agenda to create and reinforce the
>> division between AOO and LO). There was really very, very little rational
>> cause for TDF/LO hating Apache and AOO so much... or, at least, developers
>> on that side being so antagonist towards Apache (I am ignoring, for the
>> present, those extreme copyleft proponents who have issue w/ permissive
>> licensing for anything). What I'm basically saying is that we did
>> nothing really to deserve the hate...
>>
>> ... except for maybe some of the "over zealous" statements by Rob.
> 
> One part is the statements. The other part, the most important one, is
> the actions.
> 
> Since the old "OpenOffice.org / OOo" is not there anymore, the
> http://www.openoffice.org/ website should reflect objectively that there exist:
> 1. Apache OpenOffice, pointing to apache.openoffice.org
> 2. LibreOffice, pointing to libreoffice.org
> 
[knmc]
OpenOffice.org actually does exist there. The trademark and copyright
rights to OpenOffice.org were transferred to the ASF along with the
source code. Objective reality is that Apache OpenOffice is an active
project.[/knmc]
> I hope that Rob was only involved with the current design of the
> landing page at openoffice.org.
> There are a lot of strong feelings on this issue.
[knmc]
Rob was an active contributor to all facets of AOO. There are a lot of
strong feelings on both sides of the issue.
[/knmc]
Regards
Keith
> Simos
> 
>>
>> What is kinda clear is that there is still a lot of sting there.
>>
>> Now I did somewhat try to "explain" how such over-zealousness shouldn't
>> be so surprising, considering what he was fighting against (this explanation
>> was in the LWN thread), but rationalization isn't excuse.
>>
>> No, I am not saying we focus on the past... but while we are
>> here for the present and future, we shouldn't "ignore" the past
>> but rather acknowledge it, and then bury it.
>>
>> After all, aren't we asking TDF/LO to do the same??
>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Marcus <marcus.mail@wtnet.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 09/06/2016 05:22 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> I'm here for the present and the future, not the past.
>>>
>>> I also don't know what a single person - which has left the project long ago
- has to do with a "what-if-or-if-not" thinking game.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 9/6/2016 8:15 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-09-02 09:02 (-0400), Jorg Schmidt <joesch@j-m-schmidt.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> never we forget how members of OpenOffice (for example, Rob Weir)
>>>>>> were insulted by TDF representatives.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's important, in all of this conversation, to keep the interests of
>>>>> the *users* first. This project is about producing software for the
>>>>> public good, not about winning some contest, or nursing our hurt
>>>>> feelings. We owe it to the users to forgive and forget actual and
>>>>> perceived insults, and move on with our lives. Otherwise, what the
>>>>> heck are we doing here?
>>>
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