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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <orc...@apache.org>
Subject RE: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!
Date Wed, 18 Jan 2017 04:31:03 GMT


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:leginee@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 19:39
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!
> 
> If a member can not collect for the hole project, I think the ASF should
> do. That would be the simplest solution.
> Can we ask the ASF what they think? Are they against a simple OpenOffice
> development specific fund?
> After all this is a end user product, not some IT component.
[orcmid] 

It is possible that targeted donations might have an arrangement.  They would not be for small
sums, I think.
It would be up to the AOO Project Management Committee to make such requests.

However, there is a different aspect here.  The ASF does not pay developers.  None.  Not any.
 Of course, contributors might make their contributions as part of their employment, but it
is not paid by the ASF.

So targeted donations would pay for other things needed by the project that are beyond what
ASF normally provides.

Both of these factors are related to the non-profit status of the ASF and how it defines its
mission and what its policies are for achieving that mission.

We talked through much of this probably one year ago.  

Other projects do have downstream producers who create distributions or forks and may be commercial.
 But they contribute back upstream, and may have people who provide those contributions and
work with the project on fixes, etc.

We can dig up that conversation if you like.  

 - Dennis

> 
> Maybe we think and speculate to much, and should talk with the ASF
> first,
> asking them for help.
> 
> After all the donation text does not sound like ASF is against something
> like this.
> And they have seen what it means if no core team is availabe.
> 
> I guess they are open for ideas.
> 
> Jörg Schmidt <joesch@j-m-schmidt.de> schrieb am Di., 17. Jan. 2017,
> 11:44:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > > From: Raphael Bircher [mailto:rbircherapache@gmail.com]
> >
> >
> > > > Team OpenOffice was such a project. The participants were mainly
> > > > experienced OpenOffice developers from SUN Microsystems.
> > > I think, the real problem there was this text
> > > http://www.opensourceforbusiness.info/openoffice-org-droht-das-aus/
> >
> > Yes you are absolutely right.
> >
> > But I do not see any great difference to my links.
> >
> >
> > > The only restriction the ASF have is, that you can not
> > > collect money in
> > > the name of a project as a third party.
> >
> > This is not the whole truth. Also as an Apache member, I can not
> collect
> > donations
> > for Apache OpenOffice and this is a very real problem, because almost
> > nobody of
> > the OO used for Apache generally donate, for AOO concretely many would
> > donate.
> >
> > > And Apache itself
> > > does not found
> > > defelopment.
> >
> > And that's imho bad. Where would the problem be if the users
> voluntarily
> > donated
> > and OO with these donations further developed?
> >
> > I can not see a reasonable reason why I, as a project member, are
> forced
> > to act
> > separately when it comes to donations instead of within the project
> itself.
> > It would be better for me to act within the project, because any
> activity
> > outside
> > weakens, indirectly, the project as such.
> >
> > > But you can collect money for Features or major bugfixes as a
> > > third party.
> >
> > Yes we can. But I believe that this is a fragmentation of the forces
> and
> > would
> > rather be done within the project.
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Jörg
> >
> >
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