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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: Bugzilla
Date Sat, 20 May 2017 21:11:58 GMT
Hi -

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Raphael Bircher <rbircherapache@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Patricia
> 
> Am .05.2017, 22:04 Uhr, schrieb Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>:
> 
>> On 5/20/2017 9:07 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> Am .05.2017, 16:32 Uhr, schrieb esh1907 <esh1907@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>>> Maybe we should try to locate and convince people who used to work during
>>>> Star and Sun Microsystems to rejoin the project?
>>> 
>>> I think this is the wrong way to go. We can't get the good old time
>>> back. What we need is fresh business blood. Not companies who use
>>> OpenOffice, Companies who help develop the project. Without this we will
>>> face a slow dead. A project in this size need professional developers.
>>> 
>>> But companies don't com just to put money in, they want something back
>>> (normally). SUN and IBM was a big exception. The point is, we are not
>>> attractive for Companies at the moment. There is no room to make money.
>>> We should start getting attractive for companies.
>> 
>> We may need both. If a company got interested in AOO today, they would be presented
with the same problem as I'm fighting: a large, complicated body of code that seems to have
been modified by separate departments - just because I find out how something works in writer,
it does not mean I know how it works in calc.
>> 
>> A retired Sun or StarOffice person who understands how the code is put together could
save me a lot of time. My current low level objective is to find where to put a break point
to intercept a double click on OLE substitute text. A few minutes of e-mail response from
someone who knows, or knows how to find out, might save me hours or days. The same would apply
to the professional developers you want.
> I don't think, that this people are already retired, they are not old enough. And people
from the pre SUN time bring not a load of benefit. Most of the code has changed since 1998.
AFAIK one of the oldest part is the build in file picker (not the native one) He goes back
to 199x.
> 
> But you are right, the ex people from SUN would be value. If the commercial situation
of Apache OpenOffice changes, we can maybe get some of them back.
> 
> But what I want to say, we should not waste the time and try to restore the old project.
OpenOffice is old, in the IT world very old. Things change from time to time. I don't say
to scrap the old model immediately. Maybe we should invite people from the whole ASF to discuss
how a modern Office Suite looks like. I believe we are to strong focused on the old concept.
Sometimes this blocks new ideas and scares also companies with new ideas away.

We have way too many users to abandon the 4.x branch completely. We do need to handle security
issues.

If we want start a rewrite for a 5.x then we will need to map the functionality particularly
in Calc. We will also need to pick a more modern language compared to C++. We now have an
XML schema which can help us generate code. We did this for Java in Apache POI. The ODF Toolkit
is also still in the Incubator and it could be of use.

I think we should all think about it a little and then have a series of video conferences
reporting back to the community with a synopsis step by step.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Regards, Raphael
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