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From jan iversen <jancasacon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Should we change the Polish and Danish web pages?
Date Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:02:46 GMT
Thanks!!

I will go ahead and JFDI whenever I see them :-)

and I will try to keep the list traffic down for my part, I am over the
hurdle now and ready to take a big discussion on l10n.

rgds
jan.

On 16 October 2012 14:52, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:30 AM, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Got it.
> >
> > What is the polite policy in the apache OO community.
> >
> > E.x. when I created my wiki.openoffice.org account (again), I came
> across a
> > page that said:
> > "we recommend you use the same username as on openoffice.org".
> >
> > Now today openoffice.org does not have a login, so it is kind of
> obsolite,
> > I left a note on the "discussion" page, but would it have been more
> correct
> > that I changed it ?
> >
> > Over time I have found that different communities handle these matters
> very
> > differently, and as they say, asking cost nothing :-)
> >
>
> Generally it works like this:
>
> 1) With Subversion and Wiki we have a time machine that allows us to
> go back and undo mistakes.  So we don't require pre-approval, or prior
> discussion for reversible changes.  In fact we try to avoid
> unnecessary discussion and list traffic regarding uncontroversial
> changes.
>
> 2) So for uncontroversial, reversible changes, the practice is JFDI
> (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=JFDI)
>
> 3) In cases where the contributor has more doubt, on the technical
> approach, or on the correctness or acceptability of the change, they
> can post a proposal to the mailing list and see if there are any
> objections.  For non-urgent changes we wait 72-hours, to ensure that
> everyone has an opportunity to read the proposal.   Reviewers can
> express support by responding +1 and disapproval by -1.  But this is
> not a vote.  You are just waiting to see if there are any serious
> objections.  If there are no objections then you go forward.
>
> 4) Any Committer can veto a change, for technical reasons, and ask for
> it to be reversed.  This is very rare.
>
> 5) If there are competing approaches, or serious objections, then we
> might have longer discussions or even a vote.  But we try to avoid
> votes.  Votes have winners and losers.  We want everyone to be happy
> and reach consensus.  But note that there are some formal decisions
> that require voting, like approving a release or approving new
> Committers.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
>
> > have a nice day
> > jan
> >
> > On 16 October 2012 01:50, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:11 PM, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > the l10n wiki page was just an example, there seems to be a lot of old
> >> > stuff floating around originating from pre-apache times, some of this
> >> stuff
> >> > has references which are no longer valid. This gives the impression
> of a
> >> > halfway dead product, something many people for sure dont like to get
> !!
> >> >
> >> > the best marketing is the mouth to ear method and I would not like an
> >> > outdated wiki to judge a brilliant product. So between all the
> >> > adminstrative apache task it might be a good idea to close down some
> of
> >> > these outdated pages.
> >> >
> >> > This is of course only my opinion (and maybe the fact that I used to
> do a
> >> > lot of marketing for my companies).
> >> >
> >>
> >> Start from the main home page:  www.openoffice.org.  The links from
> >> there, and 2 or 3 levels deep, should be good shape.  We know what the
> >> most-common pages are, where the users really go to, and those pages
> >> have received a great deal of attention and updating.
> >>
> >> But that still leaves the "long tail" of other webpages that need
> >> updating.  All we need now is a long tail of volunteers .... ;-)
> >>
> >> Of course, what you say is correct.  But there is always more to do
> >> than time to do it.  Code to write, tests to run, bugs to fix, etc.
> >> Documentation always suffers.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >> > jan I.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 16 October 2012 00:57, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:58 PM, jan iversen <
> jancasacondor@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Just as a small note a late evening, I actually did not see that
> page
> >> >> until
> >> >> > Rob asked if it should be changed, I simply noted that I could
not
> >> >> download
> >> >> > a danish version :-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If we should add subscription advice, please change the danish
text
> >> to:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> > Vi er et lille team som arbejder på den sidste del af
> oversættelsen,
> >> hvis
> >> >> > du er interesseret i at hjælpe med at kvalitetschecke oversættelsen
> >> er du
> >> >> > meget velkommen. Send venligst en mail til vores mailing liste:
> >> >> > ooo-L10n@incubator.apache.org hvis du har nogen spørgsmål. For
at
> >> sikre
> >> >> at
> >> >> > du får svarende er det en god ide at tilmelde sig listen, det
> foregår
> >> ved
> >> >> > at sende en tom mail til
> >> >> > ooo-L10n-subscribe@incubator.apache.org<
> ooo-L10n@incubator.apache.org
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Bemærk iøvrigt der er meget andet oversættelses arbejde som
f.eks.
> >> wiki
> >> >> og
> >> >> > lignende så hvis du har lyst er der nok at tage fat på.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The last sentence "Bemærk...." is just a reminder that AOO isnt
the
> >> only
> >> >> > thing needing translation like wiki.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> OK.  I've made this update.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Talking about wiki, is somebody working on a cleanup, there seems
> to
> >> be
> >> >> > many pages either not updated or pointing strangely (like the
l10n
> >> >> group) ?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't think anyone is currently working on the l10n wiki page.  The
> >> >> page history would indicate if anyone has been editing it recently.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > rgds
> >> >> > Jan I.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 15 October 2012 22:22, Andrea Pescetti <pescetti@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On 11/10/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> I previously put a note, in English, on the Polish and
Danish
> home
> >> >> pages:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yes, and with a few lines of HTML in those pages (actually,
> Polish,
> >> >> Danish
> >> >> >> and Norwegian) you managed to recruit new volunteers and enable
50
> >> >> million
> >> >> >> people to have an updated translation in their language.
> Impressive,
> >> and
> >> >> >> something not to forget.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  c) Change the message to something else, perhaps in Polish
or
> >> Danish,
> >> >> >>> saying that translations are now in progress and further
> >> information,
> >> >> >>> including calls for more help testing the translation,
will be
> >> posted
> >> >> >>> when available.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> C is OK; I'd be for putting some text that still engages
> volunteers,
> >> on
> >> >> >> the model of the Danish one. But let's make it clear that
ooo-l10n
> >> is a
> >> >> >> discussion list, by including a notice such as: "Notice: ooo-l10n
> is
> >> a
> >> >> >> publicly archived discussion list; if you want to be sure
that you
> >> don't
> >> >> >> miss answers [subscribe instructions here]; or follow the
archives
> >> >> >> [archives link here]".
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >>   Andrea.
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>

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