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From jan iversen <jancasacon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Tracking translation volunteers on the wiki
Date Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:26:10 GMT
Now I understand why rob looked for volunteers to remove incubator :-)

But split among a couple of people remove incubator would be a long evening.

jan.


On 18 October 2012 19:21, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:

> FYI, this is the 10 foot view of the l10n www project:
>
> .:root folder
> about-the-project.html
> adding_language.html
> all_supported_languages.html
> build_env_changes.sxw
> download/
> extract_merge.html
> how-to-join.html
> how-to-join.html~
> i18n_framework/
> index.html
> index.html~
> index_old.html
> irc-channel.html
> L10N_Framework/
> l10n_style.css
> languages.html
> languages.sxc
> localization/
> mailing-lists.html
> mailing-lists.html~
> ooo_readme_how_to.sxw
> reloaded/
> robots.txt
> textattr.src.out.txt
> textattr.src.sdf.txt
> textattr.src.txt
> Universal_i18n_framework.pdf
>
> ./download:
> en-GB.html
> quickdl.js*
>
> ./i18n_framework:
> cldr/
> CTL_Feature_Priorisation.html
> Grid_layout_for_CJK.html
> Grid_layout_for_CJK_html_22133b8d.gif
> Grid_layout_for_CJK_html_4a176f2e.gif
> Grid_layout_for_CJK_html_734c5f8a.gif
> Grid_layout_for_CJK_html_m680d2ef6.gif
> HowToAddEncoding.html
> HowToAddLocaleInI18n.html
> index.html
> IUC19_I18n_Framework.pdf
> LocaleData.html
> Open-sourcing_i18n_framework.html
> Paragraph_Alignment.gif
> Vertical_Writing_in_Calc.html
> Vertical_Writing_in_Calc_html_35155795.gif
> Vertical_Writing_in_Calc_html_m1a237ea2.png
> Vertical_Writing_in_Calc_html_m72f34545.gif
> Vertical_writing_in_Writer.html
> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_4c2567ee.gif
> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_51cc6311.gif
> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_m1ed87497.gif
> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_m349cc61e.gif
> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_m621fddc1.gif
>
> ./i18n_framework/cldr:
> LocaleDataAudit_OOo202.html
> LocaleDataAudit_OOo_CLDR.html
>
> ./L10N_Framework:
> Examples.inv/
> Getting_milestone_workspaces.html
> How_to_localize_and_build_OpenOffice.html
> How_to_localize_documents_of_the_extras_module.html
> index.html
> Intermediate_file_format.html
> iso_code_build2.html
> ooo20/
> Switching_to_newer_workspaces.html
>
> ./L10N_Framework/Examples.inv:
> Language_49_as_source_and_fallback.txt
>
> ./L10N_Framework/ooo20:
> Collation_in_ooo_2.0.html
> config_options_in_ooo_2.0.html
> how_to_patch.html
> index.html
> localization_checklist_2.0.html
> localization_of_openoffice_2.0.html
> localization_tips.html
> oo2.0_program_translation.html
> oo_images/
> openoffice_locale_.html
> template.xml
> translate.html
>
> ./L10N_Framework/ooo20/oo_images:
> image001.jpg
> imageCVS2.jpg
>
> ./localization:
> About_TCM.html
> English_Greek_OOo_Glossary.htm
> English_Russian_OOo_Glossary.htm
> English_Serbian_OOo_Glossary.htm
> extras/
> G11n_and_DE_OOo.odp*
> L10n_pilotprocess.html*
> L10n_testplan.html
> MultiLanguage_OO_Glossary.sdc
> OOO_l10n.sxw
> OpenOffice_Glossary.html
> OpenOffice.org_en-US_Glossary.csv*
> translation.html*
> Translation_Process_technical_overview_v4-1.odp*
> Translation_Process_technical_overview_v4-2.odp*
> Translation_Tips.html
>
> ./localization/extras:
> How-To_Manual_OOo-Extras.odt*
>
> ./reloaded:
> how-to-join.html
> index.html
> irc-channel.html
> l10n_style.css
> mailing-lists.html
>
> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just learned something :-)
> >
> > I run windows7 for my "administrative" work, like browsing, but have
> ubuntu
> > 12.04 installed in virtualbox, together with a AOO trunk, where I do some
> > development.
> >
> > I just did not know that the www was also in SVN, brilliant idea !
> >
> > I will do svn co imitatively, and play with changes.
> >
> > That is no good, I get an error message from svn saying that the
> repository
> > is permanently relocated to <same address>, please relocate ?
> >
> > my svn works, because I have done several source updates today due to a
> > compile problem.
> >
> >
> > The commit will have to go through a committer, but that is not a
> problem.
> >
> > jan I.
> >
> >
> > On 18 October 2012 18:54, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Well the process is not that hard, just need to do a site checkout.
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/source.html
> >>
> >> If you are on linux, installing subversion-client will do and checkout
> >>
> >> svn co
> >> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/l10n/
> >> localization
> >>
> >> A GUI app for KDE is kdesvn and for gnome is RapidSVN and windows
> >> there is TortoiseSVN.
> >>
> >> Basically is a file explorer where you are able to update commit and
> >> check the history of the file.
> >>
> >> will do.
> >>
> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > You are quite right.
> >> >
> >> > But then I will have a hard time helping to change
> l10n.openoffice.org,
> >> > even though it would be nice to get it done.
> >> >
> >> > jan.
> >> >
> >> > On 18 October 2012 18:31, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > I had a deeper look there and got one good question.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why do we keep l10n.openoffice.org ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Wiki is to work, website is the front of the project. Most projects
> >> >> just keep 2 or 3 pages on the www while having many on the wiki.
> >> >> Usually people enter through the www and then redirect to the wiki
> >> >> eventually. (likewise u will think on Apache.org ->
> >> >> openoffice.apache.org) However OOo probably has more visibility than
> >> >> Apache in the real world.
> >> >>
> >> >> Static content such as processes, FAQ, and others were kept on the
> >> >> www. While more dynamic information like Translating campaigns for
> >> >> each version releases are on the wiki. Translating campaigns like:
> >> >> Release 3.4
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > It would be easier to use the l10n page in wiki, combine it with
> >> >> > information from l10n.openOffice.org and the localize wiki page.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Just as a side remark, that would make it possible for me and
> others
> >> to
> >> >> > contribute.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > jan
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 18:07, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Is there anyone left who feels "responsible" for
> >> >> >> > l10n.openoffice.org,
> >> >> >> > if
> >> >> >> > not I will give it a go, since it is in the scope of
what I work
> >> on.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The steps suggested seems quite fair, however I do not
know who
> >> >> consult
> >> >> >> > with ?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> l10n was directed by Rafaela Braconi who was a Sun/Oracle
employee
> >> >> >> so
> >> >> >> most of the direction got lost there. Most of the process
was
> >> >> >> concerted with the engineers like Eike Rathke and Pavel Janik
> which
> >> >> >> deal with the l10n cws. I think Pavel still around, but not
very
> >> >> >> active lately.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > jan
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 15:46, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > I have already put links in place, both on the
localization
> >> >> >> >> > page
> >> >> and
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> > original (not old :) ) document.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > It is now updated with you snippet.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Since we are in this topic there is also another
branch that
> >> >> >> >> would
> >> >> >> >> need to be updated -- eventually. Which is the
> >> l10n.openoffice.org
> >> >> >> >> website. This was updated back in 2010 and most of
the update
> >> >> >> >> process
> >> >> >> >> was documented here:
> >> >> >> >> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/L10n_Web_Pages_Reloaded
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> We should use this docs as a framework to see in
what stages we
> >> >> >> >> want
> >> >> >> >> to update the infromation and also to what extend.
There is
> >> >> >> >> still
> >> a
> >> >> >> >> lot of infrastructure to be done specially on QA-Testing
and
> >> >> >> >> release
> >> >> >> >> sync.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > jan
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 15:05, Alexandro Colorado
<jza@oooes.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/16/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > DonĀ“t misunderstand me, I think everybody
does a nice job
> >> >> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> getting
> >> >> >> >> us
> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> > the right direction.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > I agree with the structure as such,
it is just at the
> >> >> >> >> >> > moment
> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> > pain
> >> >> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> > neck when you search information (and
not to forget, my
> old
> >> >> >> >> >> > horse,
> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> > multiple logins).
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Is called transitional period. It seems
Apache people dont
> >> >> >> >> >> want
> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> deal with PHP, something that Sun didn't
mind as much. So
> >> >> >> >> >> most
> >> >> >> >> >> infrastructure (Mediawiki, PHPBBs, Drupal)
are in a virtual
> >> >> >> >> >> environment at the moment.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Multiple logins have always been an issue
in OOo as a whole,
> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> idea
> >> >> >> >> >> of implementing OpenID came out several
times, but many
> >> >> >> >> >> people
> >> >> >> >> >> didnt
> >> >> >> >> >> seem to mind just having multiple accounts,
so it never
> >> >> >> >> >> gained
> >> >> >> >> >> traction.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Now at apache, doesnt seem that different
except for pootle
> >> that
> >> >> >> share
> >> >> >> >> >> your commit credentials with http://people.apache.org
but
> >> >> >> >> >> neither
> >> >> >> >> >> forums, extensions or cwiki share these
credentials.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > I am just writing the last pages on
"localization of AOO"
> >> >> >> describing
> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> > current l10n process as ground work
for a discussion on
> >> >> >> >> >> > where
> >> >> >> >> >> > we
> >> >> >> >> >> > want
> >> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> >> > go.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Again this should be included in MWiki IMO
so there is no
> >> >> >> >> >> 'old
> >> >> >> >> >> localization' and 'new localization'. I
suggest a good start
> >> >> >> >> >> would
> >> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> >> to create links between them and mark outdated
information
> as
> >> >> such.
> >> >> >> >> >> MWiki had special tags for this.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> <div>
> >> >> >> >> >> <span style="border:1px solid #CC7777;
background-color:
> >> >> >> >> >> #FFEDED;
> >> >> >> >> >> padding: 4px; text-align: left; font-weight:
bold;
> >> >> >> >> >> margin-bottom:
> >> >> >> >> >> 20px;">
> >> >> >> >> >> [[image:documentation_exclamation.png|40px]]
This article is
> >> >> >> outdated.
> >> >> >> >> >> </span>
> >> >> >> >> >> </div>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > I was suggested to make a subpage of
the current page in
> >> Wiki,
> >> >> >> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> >> >> > will
> >> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> >> > easy for me, but at the same time shows,
that we need to
> >> >> >> >> >> > make
> >> >> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> >> > deadline,
> >> >> >> >> >> > freeze the wiki for a couple of days
and divide the pages.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > rgds
> >> >> >> >> >> > JanI.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > On 16 October 2012 14:34, Rob Weir
<robweir@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:42 AM,
RGB ES
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <rgb.mldc@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 2012/10/16 jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I know...it is just a
matter of how many accounts do
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> want
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> maintain
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in order to help on AOO.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If I look for information
regarding AOO I would look
> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wiki.openoffice.org,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I would not think of cwiki.apache.org
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> or have I misunderstood
something ?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> rgds
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jan I.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If my memory do not betray
me (I cannot find the
> thread)
> >> >> there
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (sort-of) an agreement to
use cwiki for development
> >> matters
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > traditional wiki for community
support. But it is
> better
> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > not
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > trust
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > memory... ;)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Historically there was a single
website,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> www.openoffice.orgthat
> >> >> >> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> both user-facing and project-facing.
 It was a single
> >> >> >> >> >> >> domain
> >> >> >> >> >> >> (openoffice.org) as well as subdomains
for distinct
> >> projects.
> >> >> >> >>  Behind
> >> >> >> >> >> >> this domain were static web pages,
a wiki, forums,
> >> extensions
> >> >> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> template libraries, etc.  So behind
the scenes it was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> quite
> >> >> >> >> >> >> complex,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> but to everyone it looked like
"openoffice.org".
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> With the move to Apache the services
were arranged
> >> >> >> >> >> >> differently.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bugzilla is under an apache.org
domain.   Apache
> >> >> Infrastructure
> >> >> >> >> >> >> supported CWiki and MoinMoin, but
not MWiki.  And all
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Apache
> >> >> >> >> >> >> projects
> >> >> >> >> >> >> have an official page in the apache.org
domain.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> So the idea was that we would have
two different
> >> experiences:
> >> >>  a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> user-facing "product" website at
openoffice.org, where
> we
> >> >> focus
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> >> >> >> user-facing tasks like product
information, downloads and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> support.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> And a project-facing website, at
an Apache domain, with
> >> >> >> information
> >> >> >> >> >> >> for volunteers participating on
the project.  So product
> >> >> >> >> >> >> versus
> >> >> >> >> >> >> project.  The split is imperfect,
since there is still a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> lot
> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> project-related content on the
openoffice.org domain.
>  But
> >> I
> >> >> >> think
> >> >> >> >> >> >> we've done a good job at making
the user experience be
> >> clean.
> >> >>  A
> >> >> >> >> >> >> user
> >> >> >> >> >> >> going to the www.openoffice.org
home page does not
> easily
> >> >> >> >> >> >> find
> >> >> >> >> >> >> outdated content.  However, some
of the native language
> >> >> >> >> >> >> home
> >> >> >> pages,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> the ones not maintained yet, have
a worse experience.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Rob
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Ricardo
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>

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