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From jan iversen <jancasacon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Tracking translation volunteers on the wiki
Date Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:35:31 GMT
Yes changing is not time consuming....but checking afterwards takes a bit
of time, especially testing all links

jan.

On 18 October 2012 19:28, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:

> at least thanks to svn, you can just do a recursive grep and even some
> sed to do the search and replace across the file tree. :)
>
> But at the moment l10n doesnt even show incubator, still pointing to
> the old dev@l10n.openoffice.org ML
>
> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Now I understand why rob looked for volunteers to remove incubator :-)
> >
> > But split among a couple of people remove incubator would be a long
> > evening.
> >
> > jan.
> >
> >
> > On 18 October 2012 19:21, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
> >
> >> FYI, this is the 10 foot view of the l10n www project:
> >>
> >> .:root folder
> >> about-the-project.html
> >> adding_language.html
> >> all_supported_languages.html
> >> build_env_changes.sxw
> >> download/
> >> extract_merge.html
> >> how-to-join.html
> >> how-to-join.html~
> >> i18n_framework/
> >> index.html
> >> index.html~
> >> index_old.html
> >> irc-channel.html
> >> L10N_Framework/
> >> l10n_style.css
> >> languages.html
> >> languages.sxc
> >> localization/
> >> mailing-lists.html
> >> mailing-lists.html~
> >> ooo_readme_how_to.sxw
> >> reloaded/
> >> robots.txt
> >> textattr.src.out.txt
> >> textattr.src.sdf.txt
> >> textattr.src.txt
> >> Universal_i18n_framework.pdf
> >>
> >> ./download:
> >> en-GB.html
> >> quickdl.js*
> >>
> >> ./i18n_framework:
> >> cldr/
> >> CTL_Feature_Priorisation.html
> >> Grid_layout_for_CJK.html
> >> Grid_layout_for_CJK_html_22133b8d.gif
> >> Grid_layout_for_CJK_html_4a176f2e.gif
> >> Grid_layout_for_CJK_html_734c5f8a.gif
> >> Grid_layout_for_CJK_html_m680d2ef6.gif
> >> HowToAddEncoding.html
> >> HowToAddLocaleInI18n.html
> >> index.html
> >> IUC19_I18n_Framework.pdf
> >> LocaleData.html
> >> Open-sourcing_i18n_framework.html
> >> Paragraph_Alignment.gif
> >> Vertical_Writing_in_Calc.html
> >> Vertical_Writing_in_Calc_html_35155795.gif
> >> Vertical_Writing_in_Calc_html_m1a237ea2.png
> >> Vertical_Writing_in_Calc_html_m72f34545.gif
> >> Vertical_writing_in_Writer.html
> >> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_4c2567ee.gif
> >> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_51cc6311.gif
> >> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_m1ed87497.gif
> >> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_m349cc61e.gif
> >> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_m621fddc1.gif
> >>
> >> ./i18n_framework/cldr:
> >> LocaleDataAudit_OOo202.html
> >> LocaleDataAudit_OOo_CLDR.html
> >>
> >> ./L10N_Framework:
> >> Examples.inv/
> >> Getting_milestone_workspaces.html
> >> How_to_localize_and_build_OpenOffice.html
> >> How_to_localize_documents_of_the_extras_module.html
> >> index.html
> >> Intermediate_file_format.html
> >> iso_code_build2.html
> >> ooo20/
> >> Switching_to_newer_workspaces.html
> >>
> >> ./L10N_Framework/Examples.inv:
> >> Language_49_as_source_and_fallback.txt
> >>
> >> ./L10N_Framework/ooo20:
> >> Collation_in_ooo_2.0.html
> >> config_options_in_ooo_2.0.html
> >> how_to_patch.html
> >> index.html
> >> localization_checklist_2.0.html
> >> localization_of_openoffice_2.0.html
> >> localization_tips.html
> >> oo2.0_program_translation.html
> >> oo_images/
> >> openoffice_locale_.html
> >> template.xml
> >> translate.html
> >>
> >> ./L10N_Framework/ooo20/oo_images:
> >> image001.jpg
> >> imageCVS2.jpg
> >>
> >> ./localization:
> >> About_TCM.html
> >> English_Greek_OOo_Glossary.htm
> >> English_Russian_OOo_Glossary.htm
> >> English_Serbian_OOo_Glossary.htm
> >> extras/
> >> G11n_and_DE_OOo.odp*
> >> L10n_pilotprocess.html*
> >> L10n_testplan.html
> >> MultiLanguage_OO_Glossary.sdc
> >> OOO_l10n.sxw
> >> OpenOffice_Glossary.html
> >> OpenOffice.org_en-US_Glossary.csv*
> >> translation.html*
> >> Translation_Process_technical_overview_v4-1.odp*
> >> Translation_Process_technical_overview_v4-2.odp*
> >> Translation_Tips.html
> >>
> >> ./localization/extras:
> >> How-To_Manual_OOo-Extras.odt*
> >>
> >> ./reloaded:
> >> how-to-join.html
> >> index.html
> >> irc-channel.html
> >> l10n_style.css
> >> mailing-lists.html
> >>
> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I just learned something :-)
> >> >
> >> > I run windows7 for my "administrative" work, like browsing, but have
> >> ubuntu
> >> > 12.04 installed in virtualbox, together with a AOO trunk, where I do
> >> > some
> >> > development.
> >> >
> >> > I just did not know that the www was also in SVN, brilliant idea !
> >> >
> >> > I will do svn co imitatively, and play with changes.
> >> >
> >> > That is no good, I get an error message from svn saying that the
> >> repository
> >> > is permanently relocated to <same address>, please relocate ?
> >> >
> >> > my svn works, because I have done several source updates today due to
> a
> >> > compile problem.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The commit will have to go through a committer, but that is not a
> >> problem.
> >> >
> >> > jan I.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 18 October 2012 18:54, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Well the process is not that hard, just need to do a site checkout.
> >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/source.html
> >> >>
> >> >> If you are on linux, installing subversion-client will do and
> checkout
> >> >>
> >> >> svn co
> >> >>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/l10n/
> >> >> localization
> >> >>
> >> >> A GUI app for KDE is kdesvn and for gnome is RapidSVN and windows
> >> >> there is TortoiseSVN.
> >> >>
> >> >> Basically is a file explorer where you are able to update commit and
> >> >> check the history of the file.
> >> >>
> >> >> will do.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > You are quite right.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But then I will have a hard time helping to change
> >> l10n.openoffice.org,
> >> >> > even though it would be nice to get it done.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > jan.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 18:31, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > I had a deeper look there and got one good question.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Why do we keep l10n.openoffice.org ?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Wiki is to work, website is the front of the project. Most
> projects
> >> >> >> just keep 2 or 3 pages on the www while having many on the
wiki.
> >> >> >> Usually people enter through the www and then redirect to
the wiki
> >> >> >> eventually. (likewise u will think on Apache.org ->
> >> >> >> openoffice.apache.org) However OOo probably has more visibility
> >> >> >> than
> >> >> >> Apache in the real world.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Static content such as processes, FAQ, and others were kept
on the
> >> >> >> www. While more dynamic information like Translating campaigns
for
> >> >> >> each version releases are on the wiki. Translating campaigns
like:
> >> >> >> Release 3.4
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > It would be easier to use the l10n page in wiki, combine
it with
> >> >> >> > information from l10n.openOffice.org and the localize
wiki
> page.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Just as a side remark, that would make it possible for
me and
> >> others
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > contribute.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > jan
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 18:07, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > Is there anyone left who feels "responsible"
for
> >> >> >> >> > l10n.openoffice.org,
> >> >> >> >> > if
> >> >> >> >> > not I will give it a go, since it is in the
scope of what I
> >> >> >> >> > work
> >> >> on.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > The steps suggested seems quite fair, however
I do not know
> >> >> >> >> > who
> >> >> >> consult
> >> >> >> >> > with ?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> l10n was directed by Rafaela Braconi who was a Sun/Oracle
> >> >> >> >> employee
> >> >> >> >> so
> >> >> >> >> most of the direction got lost there. Most of the
process was
> >> >> >> >> concerted with the engineers like Eike Rathke and
Pavel Janik
> >> which
> >> >> >> >> deal with the l10n cws. I think Pavel still around,
but not
> very
> >> >> >> >> active lately.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > jan
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 15:46, Alexandro Colorado
<jza@oooes.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > I have already put links in place,
both on the
> localization
> >> >> >> >> >> > page
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> > original (not old :) ) document.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > It is now updated with you snippet.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Since we are in this topic there is also
another branch that
> >> >> >> >> >> would
> >> >> >> >> >> need to be updated -- eventually. Which
is the
> >> >> l10n.openoffice.org
> >> >> >> >> >> website. This was updated back in 2010 and
most of the
> update
> >> >> >> >> >> process
> >> >> >> >> >> was documented here:
> >> >> >> >> >> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/L10n_Web_Pages_Reloaded
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> We should use this docs as a framework to
see in what stages
> >> >> >> >> >> we
> >> >> >> >> >> want
> >> >> >> >> >> to update the infromation and also to what
extend. There is
> >> >> >> >> >> still
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> lot of infrastructure to be done specially
on QA-Testing and
> >> >> >> >> >> release
> >> >> >> >> >> sync.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > jan
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 15:05, Alexandro
Colorado
> >> >> >> >> >> > <jza@oooes.org>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/16/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DonĀ“t misunderstand me, I
think everybody does a nice
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > job
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> >> getting
> >> >> >> >> >> us
> >> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the right direction.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I agree with the structure
as such, it is just at the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > moment
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > pain
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > neck when you search information
(and not to forget, my
> >> old
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > horse,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > multiple logins).
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is called transitional period.
It seems Apache people
> dont
> >> >> >> >> >> >> want
> >> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> deal with PHP, something that Sun
didn't mind as much. So
> >> >> >> >> >> >> most
> >> >> >> >> >> >> infrastructure (Mediawiki, PHPBBs,
Drupal) are in a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> virtual
> >> >> >> >> >> >> environment at the moment.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Multiple logins have always been
an issue in OOo as a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> whole,
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> idea
> >> >> >> >> >> >> of implementing OpenID came out
several times, but many
> >> >> >> >> >> >> people
> >> >> >> >> >> >> didnt
> >> >> >> >> >> >> seem to mind just having multiple
accounts, so it never
> >> >> >> >> >> >> gained
> >> >> >> >> >> >> traction.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Now at apache, doesnt seem that
different except for
> >> >> >> >> >> >> pootle
> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> share
> >> >> >> >> >> >> your commit credentials with http://people.apache.orgbut
> >> >> >> >> >> >> neither
> >> >> >> >> >> >> forums, extensions or cwiki share
these credentials.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I am just writing the last
pages on "localization of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > AOO"
> >> >> >> >> describing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > current l10n process as ground
work for a discussion on
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > where
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > we
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > want
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > go.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Again this should be included in
MWiki IMO so there is no
> >> >> >> >> >> >> 'old
> >> >> >> >> >> >> localization' and 'new localization'.
I suggest a good
> >> >> >> >> >> >> start
> >> >> >> >> >> >> would
> >> >> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> >> >> to create links between them and
mark outdated
> information
> >> as
> >> >> >> such.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> MWiki had special tags for this.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <div>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <span style="border:1px solid
#CC7777; background-color:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> #FFEDED;
> >> >> >> >> >> >> padding: 4px; text-align: left;
font-weight: bold;
> >> >> >> >> >> >> margin-bottom:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> 20px;">
> >> >> >> >> >> >> [[image:documentation_exclamation.png|40px]]
This article
> >> >> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> outdated.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> </span>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> </div>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I was suggested to make a
subpage of the current page
> in
> >> >> Wiki,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > will
> >> >> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > easy for me, but at the same
time shows, that we need
> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > make
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > deadline,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > freeze the wiki for a couple
of days and divide the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > pages.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > rgds
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > JanI.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 16 October 2012 14:34,
Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at
6:42 AM, RGB ES
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <rgb.mldc@gmail.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 2012/10/16 jan iversen
<jancasacondor@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I know...it is
just a matter of how many accounts
> do
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> want
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> maintain
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in order to help
on AOO.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If I look for
information regarding AOO I would
> look
> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wiki.openoffice.org,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I would not think
of cwiki.apache.org
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> or have I misunderstood
something ?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> rgds
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jan I.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If my memory do not
betray me (I cannot find the
> >> thread)
> >> >> >> there
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (sort-of) an agreement
to use cwiki for development
> >> >> matters
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > traditional wiki
for community support. But it is
> >> better
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > not
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > trust
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > memory... ;)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Historically there was
a single website,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> www.openoffice.orgthat
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> both user-facing and project-facing.
 It was a single
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> domain
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (openoffice.org) as well
as subdomains for distinct
> >> >> projects.
> >> >> >> >> >>  Behind
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> this domain were static
web pages, a wiki, forums,
> >> >> extensions
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> template libraries, etc.
 So behind the scenes it was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> quite
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> complex,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> but to everyone it looked
like "openoffice.org".
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> With the move to Apache
the services were arranged
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> differently.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bugzilla is under an apache.org
domain.   Apache
> >> >> >> Infrastructure
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> supported CWiki and MoinMoin,
but not MWiki.  And all
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Apache
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> projects
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> have an official page
in the apache.org domain.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So the idea was that we
would have two different
> >> >> experiences:
> >> >> >>  a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> user-facing "product"
website at openoffice.org,
> where
> >> we
> >> >> >> focus
> >> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> user-facing tasks like
product information, downloads
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> support.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And a project-facing website,
at an Apache domain,
> with
> >> >> >> >> information
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> for volunteers participating
on the project.  So
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> product
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> versus
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> project.  The split is
imperfect, since there is still
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> lot
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> project-related content
on the openoffice.org domain.
> >>  But
> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> think
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> we've done a good job
at making the user experience be
> >> >> clean.
> >> >> >>  A
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> user
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> going to the www.openoffice.org
home page does not
> >> easily
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> find
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> outdated content.  However,
some of the native
> language
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> home
> >> >> >> >> pages,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the ones not maintained
yet, have a worse experience.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Rob
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Ricardo
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >> >> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>

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