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From jan iversen <jancasacon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Tracking translation volunteers on the wiki
Date Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:36:46 GMT
You are quite right.

But then I will have a hard time helping to change l10n.openoffice.org,
even though it would be nice to get it done.

jan.

On 18 October 2012 18:31, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:

> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I had a deeper look there and got one good question.
> >
> > Why do we keep l10n.openoffice.org ?
>
> Wiki is to work, website is the front of the project. Most projects
> just keep 2 or 3 pages on the www while having many on the wiki.
> Usually people enter through the www and then redirect to the wiki
> eventually. (likewise u will think on Apache.org ->
> openoffice.apache.org) However OOo probably has more visibility than
> Apache in the real world.
>
> Static content such as processes, FAQ, and others were kept on the
> www. While more dynamic information like Translating campaigns for
> each version releases are on the wiki. Translating campaigns like:
> Release 3.4
>
>
> > It would be easier to use the l10n page in wiki, combine it with
> > information from l10n.openOffice.org and the localize wiki page.
> >
> > Just as a side remark, that would make it possible for me and others to
> > contribute.
> >
> > jan
> >
> > On 18 October 2012 18:07, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Is there anyone left who feels "responsible" for l10n.openoffice.org,
> >> > if
> >> > not I will give it a go, since it is in the scope of what I work on.
> >> >
> >> > The steps suggested seems quite fair, however I do not know who
> consult
> >> > with ?
> >>
> >> l10n was directed by Rafaela Braconi who was a Sun/Oracle employee so
> >> most of the direction got lost there. Most of the process was
> >> concerted with the engineers like Eike Rathke and Pavel Janik which
> >> deal with the l10n cws. I think Pavel still around, but not very
> >> active lately.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > jan
> >> >
> >> > On 18 October 2012 15:46, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > I have already put links in place, both on the localization page
> and
> >> on
> >> >> the
> >> >> > original (not old :) ) document.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It is now updated with you snippet.
> >> >>
> >> >> Since we are in this topic there is also another branch that would
> >> >> need to be updated -- eventually. Which is the l10n.openoffice.org
> >> >> website. This was updated back in 2010 and most of the update process
> >> >> was documented here:
> >> >> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/L10n_Web_Pages_Reloaded
> >> >>
> >> >> We should use this docs as a framework to see in what stages we want
> >> >> to update the infromation and also to what extend. There is still a
> >> >> lot of infrastructure to be done specially on QA-Testing and release
> >> >> sync.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > jan
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 15:05, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On 10/16/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > DonĀ“t misunderstand me, I think everybody does a nice
job in
> >> getting
> >> >> us
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> > the right direction.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I agree with the structure as such, it is just at the
moment a
> >> >> >> > pain
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > neck when you search information (and not to forget,
my old
> >> >> >> > horse,
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > multiple logins).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Is called transitional period. It seems Apache people dont
want to
> >> >> >> deal with PHP, something that Sun didn't mind as much. So
most
> >> >> >> infrastructure (Mediawiki, PHPBBs, Drupal) are in a virtual
> >> >> >> environment at the moment.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Multiple logins have always been an issue in OOo as a whole,
the
> >> >> >> idea
> >> >> >> of implementing OpenID came out several times, but many people
> >> >> >> didnt
> >> >> >> seem to mind just having multiple accounts, so it never gained
> >> >> >> traction.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Now at apache, doesnt seem that different except for pootle
that
> >> share
> >> >> >> your commit credentials with http://people.apache.org but
neither
> >> >> >> forums, extensions or cwiki share these credentials.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I am just writing the last pages on "localization of
AOO"
> >> describing
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > current l10n process as ground work for a discussion
on where we
> >> >> >> > want
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > go.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Again this should be included in MWiki IMO so there is no
'old
> >> >> >> localization' and 'new localization'. I suggest a good start
would
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> to create links between them and mark outdated information
as
> such.
> >> >> >> MWiki had special tags for this.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <div>
> >> >> >> <span style="border:1px solid #CC7777; background-color:
#FFEDED;
> >> >> >> padding: 4px; text-align: left; font-weight: bold; margin-bottom:
> >> >> >> 20px;">
> >> >> >> [[image:documentation_exclamation.png|40px]] This article
is
> >> outdated.
> >> >> >> </span>
> >> >> >> </div>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I was suggested to make a subpage of the current page
in Wiki,
> >> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> > will
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> > easy for me, but at the same time shows, that we need
to make a
> >> >> >> > deadline,
> >> >> >> > freeze the wiki for a couple of days and divide the pages.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > rgds
> >> >> >> > JanI.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On 16 October 2012 14:34, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:42 AM, RGB ES <rgb.mldc@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > 2012/10/16 jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> I know...it is just a matter of how many
accounts do you
> want
> >> to
> >> >> >> >> maintain
> >> >> >> >> >> in order to help on AOO.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> If I look for information regarding AOO
I would look in
> >> >> >> >> >> wiki.openoffice.org,
> >> >> >> >> >> I would not think of cwiki.apache.org
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> or have I misunderstood something ?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> rgds
> >> >> >> >> >> Jan I.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > If my memory do not betray me (I cannot find
the thread)
> there
> >> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> >> > (sort-of) an agreement to use cwiki for development
matters
> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > traditional wiki for community support. But
it is better to
> >> >> >> >> > not
> >> >> >> >> > trust
> >> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> >> > memory... ;)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Historically there was a single website, www.openoffice.orgthat
> >> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> >> both user-facing and project-facing.  It was a single
domain
> >> >> >> >> (openoffice.org) as well as subdomains for distinct
projects.
> >> >>  Behind
> >> >> >> >> this domain were static web pages, a wiki, forums,
extensions
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> template libraries, etc.  So behind the scenes it
was quite
> >> >> >> >> complex,
> >> >> >> >> but to everyone it looked like "openoffice.org".
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> With the move to Apache the services were arranged
differently.
> >> >> >> >> Bugzilla is under an apache.org domain.   Apache
> Infrastructure
> >> >> >> >> supported CWiki and MoinMoin, but not MWiki.  And
all Apache
> >> >> >> >> projects
> >> >> >> >> have an official page in the apache.org domain.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> So the idea was that we would have two different
experiences:
>  a
> >> >> >> >> user-facing "product" website at openoffice.org,
where we
> focus
> >> on
> >> >> >> >> user-facing tasks like product information, downloads
and
> >> >> >> >> support.
> >> >> >> >> And a project-facing website, at an Apache domain,
with
> >> information
> >> >> >> >> for volunteers participating on the project.  So
product versus
> >> >> >> >> project.  The split is imperfect, since there is
still a lot of
> >> >> >> >> project-related content on the openoffice.org domain.
 But I
> >> think
> >> >> >> >> we've done a good job at making the user experience
be clean.
>  A
> >> >> >> >> user
> >> >> >> >> going to the www.openoffice.org home page does not
easily find
> >> >> >> >> outdated content.  However, some of the native language
home
> >> pages,
> >> >> >> >> the ones not maintained yet, have a worse experience.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -Rob
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> >> >> > Ricardo
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>

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