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From jan iversen <jancasacon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Tracking translation volunteers on the wiki
Date Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:32:31 GMT
Is there anyone left who feels "responsible" for l10n.openoffice.org, if
not I will give it a go, since it is in the scope of what I work on.

The steps suggested seems quite fair, however I do not know who consult
with ?

jan

On 18 October 2012 15:46, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:

> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have already put links in place, both on the localization page and on
> the
> > original (not old :) ) document.
> >
> > It is now updated with you snippet.
>
> Since we are in this topic there is also another branch that would
> need to be updated -- eventually. Which is the l10n.openoffice.org
> website. This was updated back in 2010 and most of the update process
> was documented here:
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/L10n_Web_Pages_Reloaded
>
> We should use this docs as a framework to see in what stages we want
> to update the infromation and also to what extend. There is still a
> lot of infrastructure to be done specially on QA-Testing and release
> sync.
>
>
> >
> > jan
> >
> >
> > On 18 October 2012 15:05, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/16/12, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > DonĀ“t misunderstand me, I think everybody does a nice job in getting
> us
> >> in
> >> > the right direction.
> >> >
> >> > I agree with the structure as such, it is just at the moment a pain in
> >> the
> >> > neck when you search information (and not to forget, my old horse, the
> >> > multiple logins).
> >>
> >> Is called transitional period. It seems Apache people dont want to
> >> deal with PHP, something that Sun didn't mind as much. So most
> >> infrastructure (Mediawiki, PHPBBs, Drupal) are in a virtual
> >> environment at the moment.
> >>
> >> Multiple logins have always been an issue in OOo as a whole, the idea
> >> of implementing OpenID came out several times, but many people didnt
> >> seem to mind just having multiple accounts, so it never gained
> >> traction.
> >>
> >> Now at apache, doesnt seem that different except for pootle that share
> >> your commit credentials with http://people.apache.org but neither
> >> forums, extensions or cwiki share these credentials.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I am just writing the last pages on "localization of AOO" describing
> >> > the
> >> > current l10n process as ground work for a discussion on where we want
> >> > to
> >> > go.
> >>
> >> Again this should be included in MWiki IMO so there is no 'old
> >> localization' and 'new localization'. I suggest a good start would be
> >> to create links between them and mark outdated information as such.
> >> MWiki had special tags for this.
> >>
> >> <div>
> >> <span style="border:1px solid #CC7777; background-color: #FFEDED;
> >> padding: 4px; text-align: left; font-weight: bold; margin-bottom:
> >> 20px;">
> >> [[image:documentation_exclamation.png|40px]] This article is outdated.
> >> </span>
> >> </div>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I was suggested to make a subpage of the current page in Wiki, that
> >> > will
> >> be
> >> > easy for me, but at the same time shows, that we need to make a
> >> > deadline,
> >> > freeze the wiki for a couple of days and divide the pages.
> >> >
> >> > rgds
> >> > JanI.
> >> >
> >> > On 16 October 2012 14:34, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:42 AM, RGB ES <rgb.mldc@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >> > 2012/10/16 jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I know...it is just a matter of how many accounts do you want
to
> >> >> maintain
> >> >> >> in order to help on AOO.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If I look for information regarding AOO I would look in
> >> >> >> wiki.openoffice.org,
> >> >> >> I would not think of cwiki.apache.org
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> or have I misunderstood something ?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> rgds
> >> >> >> Jan I.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > If my memory do not betray me (I cannot find the thread) there
was
> >> >> > (sort-of) an agreement to use cwiki for development matters and
the
> >> >> > traditional wiki for community support. But it is better to not
> >> >> > trust
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > memory... ;)
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Historically there was a single website, www.openoffice.org that was
> >> >> both user-facing and project-facing.  It was a single domain
> >> >> (openoffice.org) as well as subdomains for distinct projects.
>  Behind
> >> >> this domain were static web pages, a wiki, forums, extensions and
> >> >> template libraries, etc.  So behind the scenes it was quite complex,
> >> >> but to everyone it looked like "openoffice.org".
> >> >>
> >> >> With the move to Apache the services were arranged differently.
> >> >> Bugzilla is under an apache.org domain.   Apache Infrastructure
> >> >> supported CWiki and MoinMoin, but not MWiki.  And all Apache projects
> >> >> have an official page in the apache.org domain.
> >> >>
> >> >> So the idea was that we would have two different experiences:  a
> >> >> user-facing "product" website at openoffice.org, where we focus on
> >> >> user-facing tasks like product information, downloads and support.
> >> >> And a project-facing website, at an Apache domain, with information
> >> >> for volunteers participating on the project.  So product versus
> >> >> project.  The split is imperfect, since there is still a lot of
> >> >> project-related content on the openoffice.org domain.  But I think
> >> >> we've done a good job at making the user experience be clean.  A user
> >> >> going to the www.openoffice.org home page does not easily find
> >> >> outdated content.  However, some of the native language home pages,
> >> >> the ones not maintained yet, have a worse experience.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Rob
> >> >>
> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> > Ricardo
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>

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