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From Ellison Anne Williams <eawilli...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Draft Podling Report
Date Wed, 01 Mar 2017 21:40:25 GMT
Ok - can someone with wiki write access please post the report (the draft
is in this email chain)? I can't seem to get into the wiki (ugh)...

Thanks!

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Joe Witt <joe.witt@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Ellison Anne Williams
> <eawilliamspirk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, unfortunately, the original contributors seem to have too much on
> > their plate to meaningfully contribute to Pirk right now. (of course, I
> am
> > squarely in that space) If/when that changes, we can always revisit Pirk
> > and perhaps pull it out of retirement.
> >
> > I will go ahead and submit the report as it is due today.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Suneel Marthi <smarthi@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I concur with everything Tim's said below. As much as I would hate to
> see
> >> this podling retired, its impossible to sustain this project without the
> >> original committers around.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Tim Ellison <t.p.ellison@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 28/02/17 16:36, Josh Elser wrote:
> >> > > I would reword the following:
> >> > >
> >> > > "Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list about
> retiring
> >> > > Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now"
> >> > >
> >> > > to be something more like
> >> > >
> >> > > "A discussion on the mailing list resulted in multiple previous
> >> > > contributors agreeing with a mentor suggestion to move Pirk towards
> >> > > retirement."
> >> > >
> >> > > Given Tim and Suneel's contributions to the project, I want to hear
> >> back
> >> > > from them again before moving forward with the retirement steps. As
> two
> >> > > veterans, I would have confidence that they could continue the
> podling
> >> > > if they so desire.
> >> >
> >> > Apologies for being quiet for the last few weeks.  That has been
> >> > personal reasons rather than a lack of interest in Pirk.
> >> >
> >> > I also appreciate the confidence you express that Suneel and I could
> >> > continue the podling.
> >> >
> >> > With the greatest of respect to Suneel, I think that would be very
> >> > difficult without the original contributors' participation, as they
> have
> >> > the deep background required to validate any proposed changes.  We
> have
> >> > already seen cases where my enthusiastic enhancements have been
> tempered
> >> > by the team's sober reality checks; and this is not the type of system
> >> > that can survive rookie errors.  I really appreciate the patient
> >> > mentoring offered to me by the community.
> >> >
> >> > If we are destined to loose the full set of initial committers then I
> >> > think it is inevitable, and wise, to retire the podling.  I signed up
> as
> >> > a mentor because this is a cool technology.  While I understand the
> >> > reasons, I'll be disappointed to see it disappear from the Apache
> family.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Tim
> >> >
> >> > > Thanks, Ellison Anne.
> >> > >
> >> > > - Josh
> >> > >
> >> > > Ellison Anne Williams wrote:
> >> > >> Any other feedback for the report? It's due tomorrow... Thanks!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Wilder<
> >> > >> jacobwilder.opensource@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> I’m in the same boat as Walter—my duties at work have
taken up a
> >> > greater
> >> > >>> portion of my time and I haven’t had the time to contribute
to
> Pirk.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> On 2/27/17, 08:12, "Walter Ray-Dulany"<raydulany@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>      Sorry, I've been busy with work, and everything else
has
> fallen
> >> > >>> off of
> >> > >>> my
> >> > >>>      plate.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>      I don't have time to be involved for the foreseeable
future.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>      Walter
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>      On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Elser<
> elserj@apache.org>
> >> > >>> wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>      >  Just wanted to clarify: the Attic is not the right
> phrasing
> >> for
> >> > >>> podlings.
> >> > >>>      >  Pirk would just retire from incubation. The following
doc
> >> > >>> sums this
> >> > >>> up.
> >> > >>>      >
> >> > >>>      >  https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> >> > >>>      >
> >> > >>>      >  Ellison Anne, I appreciate your candor in this
situation.
> I
> >> > >>> am also
> >> > >>> rather
> >> > >>>      >  surprised at the radio silence from those who were
> previously
> >> > >>> active
> >> > >>> in
> >> > >>>      >  Pirk. Tracy, Christopher, Walter, and Jacob: comments
or
> >> > >>> opinions?
> >> > >>>      >
> >> > >>>      >  I would also be curious in hearing what Suneel
and Tim
> have
> >> > >>> to say
> >> > >>> (with
> >> > >>>      >  the previous DISCUSS in mind).
> >> > >>>      >
> >> > >>>      >
> >> > >>>      >  Ellison Anne Williams wrote:
> >> > >>>      >
> >> > >>>      >>  Hi Guys,
> >> > >>>      >>
> >> > >>>      >>  As per the recent discussion on the mailing
list, it
> seems
> >> > >>> that it
> >> > >>> may be
> >> > >>>      >>  best to put Pirk in the attic for a while.
For varying
> >> > >>> reasons, the
> >> > >>>      >>  previous active contributors don't seem to
be able to
> devote
> >> > >>> serious
> >> > >>>      >>  cycles
> >> > >>>      >>  to Pirk right now and the Pirk community has
not been
> >> > >>> growing. I
> >> > >>> have
> >> > >>>      >>  drafted the podling report below as such -
please let me
> >> > >>> know if
> >> > >>> think
> >> > >>>      >>  otherwise. The podling report is due on Wednesday,
March
> 1.
> >> > >>>      >>
> >> > >>>      >>  Thanks-
> >> > >>>      >>
> >> > >>>      >>  Ellison Anne
> >> > >>>      >>
> >> > >>>      >>  PirkPirk is a framework for scalable Private
Information
> >> > >>> Retrieval
> >> > >>>      >>  (PIR).Pirk has been incubating since 2016-06-17.
The
> initial
> >> > >>> code
> >> > >>> for
> >> > >>>      >>  Pirk wasgranted on 2016-07-11.Three most important
> issues to
> >> > >>> address
> >> > >>>      >>  in the move towards graduation:  1. Grow the
community to
> >> > >>> establish
> >> > >>>      >>  diversity of background and expertise.  2.
Establish a
> >> formal
> >> > >>> release
> >> > >>>      >>  process and schedule, allowing for dependable
    release
> >> > >>> cycles in
> >> > >>> a
> >> > >>>      >>  manner consistent with the Apache development
>  process.
> >> > >>> 3. Add
> >> > >>> to
> >> > >>>      >>  and improve the Pirk user documentation and
examples
> both on
> >> > >>> the
> >> > >>>      >>  website and in the codebaseAny issues that
the Incubator
> PMC
> >> > >>> (IPMC)
> >> > >>> or
> >> > >>>      >>  ASF Board wish/need to beaware of?  Yes. The
Pirk
> community
> >> > >>>      >>  participation and growth has stalled over the
last few
> >> months.
> >> > >>>      >>  Recently, there has been discussion on the
mailing list
> >> about
> >> > >>> retiring
> >> > >>>      >>  Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now.How
has the
> >> > >>> community
> >> > >>>      >>  developed since the last report?  The Pirk
community has
> not
> >> > >>> developed
> >> > >>>      >>  since the last report - there have been no
new
> contributors
> >> or
> >> > >>>      >>  committers added.How has the project developed
since the
> >> last
> >> > >>> report?
> >> > >>>      >>  The Pirk project has stalled - the existing
community has
> >> > >>> not been
> >> > >>>      >>  active nor has the community grown.Date of
last release:
> >> > >>> October 9,
> >> > >>>      >>  2016When were the last committers or PMC members
elected?
> >> > Pirk
> >> > >>>      >>  elected two new committers (Tim Ellison and
Suneel
> Marthi,
> >> > both
> >> > >>>      >>  mentors) on August 18, 2016.
> >> > >>>      >>
> >> > >>>      >>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
>

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