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From Ellison Anne Williams <eawilliamsp...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Draft Podling Report
Date Wed, 01 Mar 2017 21:46:49 GMT
Thanks so much!

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Suneel Marthi <smarthi@apache.org> wrote:

> I can do it after 1 hr.
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Ellison Anne Williams <
> eawilliams@apache.org
> > wrote:
>
> > Ok - can someone with wiki write access please post the report (the draft
> > is in this email chain)? I can't seem to get into the wiki (ugh)...
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Joe Witt <joe.witt@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Ellison Anne Williams
> > > <eawilliamspirk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, unfortunately, the original contributors seem to have too much
> on
> > > > their plate to meaningfully contribute to Pirk right now. (of
> course, I
> > > am
> > > > squarely in that space) If/when that changes, we can always revisit
> > Pirk
> > > > and perhaps pull it out of retirement.
> > > >
> > > > I will go ahead and submit the report as it is due today.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Suneel Marthi <smarthi@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I concur with everything Tim's said below. As much as I would hate
> to
> > > see
> > > >> this podling retired, its impossible to sustain this project without
> > the
> > > >> original committers around.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Tim Ellison <t.p.ellison@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On 28/02/17 16:36, Josh Elser wrote:
> > > >> > > I would reword the following:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > "Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list
about
> > > retiring
> > > >> > > Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now"
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > to be something more like
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > "A discussion on the mailing list resulted in multiple previous
> > > >> > > contributors agreeing with a mentor suggestion to move Pirk
> > towards
> > > >> > > retirement."
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Given Tim and Suneel's contributions to the project, I want
to
> > hear
> > > >> back
> > > >> > > from them again before moving forward with the retirement
steps.
> > As
> > > two
> > > >> > > veterans, I would have confidence that they could continue
the
> > > podling
> > > >> > > if they so desire.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Apologies for being quiet for the last few weeks.  That has been
> > > >> > personal reasons rather than a lack of interest in Pirk.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I also appreciate the confidence you express that Suneel and
I
> could
> > > >> > continue the podling.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > With the greatest of respect to Suneel, I think that would be
very
> > > >> > difficult without the original contributors' participation, as
> they
> > > have
> > > >> > the deep background required to validate any proposed changes.
 We
> > > have
> > > >> > already seen cases where my enthusiastic enhancements have been
> > > tempered
> > > >> > by the team's sober reality checks; and this is not the type
of
> > system
> > > >> > that can survive rookie errors.  I really appreciate the patient
> > > >> > mentoring offered to me by the community.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If we are destined to loose the full set of initial committers
> then
> > I
> > > >> > think it is inevitable, and wise, to retire the podling.  I signed
> > up
> > > as
> > > >> > a mentor because this is a cool technology.  While I understand
> the
> > > >> > reasons, I'll be disappointed to see it disappear from the Apache
> > > family.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > Tim
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Thanks, Ellison Anne.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > - Josh
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Ellison Anne Williams wrote:
> > > >> > >> Any other feedback for the report? It's due tomorrow...
Thanks!
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Wilder<
> > > >> > >> jacobwilder.opensource@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>> I’m in the same boat as Walter—my duties at
work have taken
> up a
> > > >> > greater
> > > >> > >>> portion of my time and I haven’t had the time
to contribute to
> > > Pirk.
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> On 2/27/17, 08:12, "Walter Ray-Dulany"<raydulany@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>      Sorry, I've been busy with work, and everything
else has
> > > fallen
> > > >> > >>> off of
> > > >> > >>> my
> > > >> > >>>      plate.
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>      I don't have time to be involved for the foreseeable
> > future.
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>      Walter
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>      On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Elser<
> > > elserj@apache.org>
> > > >> > >>> wrote:
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>      >  Just wanted to clarify: the Attic is
not the right
> > > phrasing
> > > >> for
> > > >> > >>> podlings.
> > > >> > >>>      >  Pirk would just retire from incubation.
The following
> > doc
> > > >> > >>> sums this
> > > >> > >>> up.
> > > >> > >>>      >
> > > >> > >>>      >  https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> > > >> > >>>      >
> > > >> > >>>      >  Ellison Anne, I appreciate your candor
in this
> > situation.
> > > I
> > > >> > >>> am also
> > > >> > >>> rather
> > > >> > >>>      >  surprised at the radio silence from those
who were
> > > previously
> > > >> > >>> active
> > > >> > >>> in
> > > >> > >>>      >  Pirk. Tracy, Christopher, Walter, and
Jacob: comments
> or
> > > >> > >>> opinions?
> > > >> > >>>      >
> > > >> > >>>      >  I would also be curious in hearing what
Suneel and Tim
> > > have
> > > >> > >>> to say
> > > >> > >>> (with
> > > >> > >>>      >  the previous DISCUSS in mind).
> > > >> > >>>      >
> > > >> > >>>      >
> > > >> > >>>      >  Ellison Anne Williams wrote:
> > > >> > >>>      >
> > > >> > >>>      >>  Hi Guys,
> > > >> > >>>      >>
> > > >> > >>>      >>  As per the recent discussion on the
mailing list, it
> > > seems
> > > >> > >>> that it
> > > >> > >>> may be
> > > >> > >>>      >>  best to put Pirk in the attic for
a while. For
> varying
> > > >> > >>> reasons, the
> > > >> > >>>      >>  previous active contributors don't
seem to be able to
> > > devote
> > > >> > >>> serious
> > > >> > >>>      >>  cycles
> > > >> > >>>      >>  to Pirk right now and the Pirk community
has not been
> > > >> > >>> growing. I
> > > >> > >>> have
> > > >> > >>>      >>  drafted the podling report below
as such - please let
> > me
> > > >> > >>> know if
> > > >> > >>> think
> > > >> > >>>      >>  otherwise. The podling report is
due on Wednesday,
> > March
> > > 1.
> > > >> > >>>      >>
> > > >> > >>>      >>  Thanks-
> > > >> > >>>      >>
> > > >> > >>>      >>  Ellison Anne
> > > >> > >>>      >>
> > > >> > >>>      >>  PirkPirk is a framework for scalable
Private
> > Information
> > > >> > >>> Retrieval
> > > >> > >>>      >>  (PIR).Pirk has been incubating since
2016-06-17. The
> > > initial
> > > >> > >>> code
> > > >> > >>> for
> > > >> > >>>      >>  Pirk wasgranted on 2016-07-11.Three
most important
> > > issues to
> > > >> > >>> address
> > > >> > >>>      >>  in the move towards graduation: 
1. Grow the
> community
> > to
> > > >> > >>> establish
> > > >> > >>>      >>  diversity of background and expertise.
 2. Establish
> a
> > > >> formal
> > > >> > >>> release
> > > >> > >>>      >>  process and schedule, allowing for
dependable
> >  release
> > > >> > >>> cycles in
> > > >> > >>> a
> > > >> > >>>      >>  manner consistent with the Apache
development
> > >  process.
> > > >> > >>> 3. Add
> > > >> > >>> to
> > > >> > >>>      >>  and improve the Pirk user documentation
and examples
> > > both on
> > > >> > >>> the
> > > >> > >>>      >>  website and in the codebaseAny issues
that the
> > Incubator
> > > PMC
> > > >> > >>> (IPMC)
> > > >> > >>> or
> > > >> > >>>      >>  ASF Board wish/need to beaware of?
 Yes. The Pirk
> > > community
> > > >> > >>>      >>  participation and growth has stalled
over the last
> few
> > > >> months.
> > > >> > >>>      >>  Recently, there has been discussion
on the mailing
> list
> > > >> about
> > > >> > >>> retiring
> > > >> > >>>      >>  Pirk (putting it in the attic) for
right now.How has
> > the
> > > >> > >>> community
> > > >> > >>>      >>  developed since the last report?
 The Pirk community
> > has
> > > not
> > > >> > >>> developed
> > > >> > >>>      >>  since the last report - there have
been no new
> > > contributors
> > > >> or
> > > >> > >>>      >>  committers added.How has the project
developed since
> > the
> > > >> last
> > > >> > >>> report?
> > > >> > >>>      >>  The Pirk project has stalled - the
existing community
> > has
> > > >> > >>> not been
> > > >> > >>>      >>  active nor has the community grown.Date
of last
> > release:
> > > >> > >>> October 9,
> > > >> > >>>      >>  2016When were the last committers
or PMC members
> > elected?
> > > >> > Pirk
> > > >> > >>>      >>  elected two new committers (Tim Ellison
and Suneel
> > > Marthi,
> > > >> > both
> > > >> > >>>      >>  mentors) on August 18, 2016.
> > > >> > >>>      >>
> > > >> > >>>      >>
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>

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