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From Joe Witt <joe.w...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Draft Podling Report
Date Wed, 01 Mar 2017 21:38:11 GMT
+1

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Ellison Anne Williams
<eawilliamspirk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, unfortunately, the original contributors seem to have too much on
> their plate to meaningfully contribute to Pirk right now. (of course, I am
> squarely in that space) If/when that changes, we can always revisit Pirk
> and perhaps pull it out of retirement.
>
> I will go ahead and submit the report as it is due today.
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Suneel Marthi <smarthi@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I concur with everything Tim's said below. As much as I would hate to see
>> this podling retired, its impossible to sustain this project without the
>> original committers around.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Tim Ellison <t.p.ellison@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 28/02/17 16:36, Josh Elser wrote:
>> > > I would reword the following:
>> > >
>> > > "Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list about retiring
>> > > Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now"
>> > >
>> > > to be something more like
>> > >
>> > > "A discussion on the mailing list resulted in multiple previous
>> > > contributors agreeing with a mentor suggestion to move Pirk towards
>> > > retirement."
>> > >
>> > > Given Tim and Suneel's contributions to the project, I want to hear
>> back
>> > > from them again before moving forward with the retirement steps. As two
>> > > veterans, I would have confidence that they could continue the podling
>> > > if they so desire.
>> >
>> > Apologies for being quiet for the last few weeks.  That has been
>> > personal reasons rather than a lack of interest in Pirk.
>> >
>> > I also appreciate the confidence you express that Suneel and I could
>> > continue the podling.
>> >
>> > With the greatest of respect to Suneel, I think that would be very
>> > difficult without the original contributors' participation, as they have
>> > the deep background required to validate any proposed changes.  We have
>> > already seen cases where my enthusiastic enhancements have been tempered
>> > by the team's sober reality checks; and this is not the type of system
>> > that can survive rookie errors.  I really appreciate the patient
>> > mentoring offered to me by the community.
>> >
>> > If we are destined to loose the full set of initial committers then I
>> > think it is inevitable, and wise, to retire the podling.  I signed up as
>> > a mentor because this is a cool technology.  While I understand the
>> > reasons, I'll be disappointed to see it disappear from the Apache family.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Tim
>> >
>> > > Thanks, Ellison Anne.
>> > >
>> > > - Josh
>> > >
>> > > Ellison Anne Williams wrote:
>> > >> Any other feedback for the report? It's due tomorrow... Thanks!
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Wilder<
>> > >> jacobwilder.opensource@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> I’m in the same boat as Walter—my duties at work have taken
up a
>> > greater
>> > >>> portion of my time and I haven’t had the time to contribute to
Pirk.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 2/27/17, 08:12, "Walter Ray-Dulany"<raydulany@gmail.com>
 wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>      Sorry, I've been busy with work, and everything else has fallen
>> > >>> off of
>> > >>> my
>> > >>>      plate.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>      I don't have time to be involved for the foreseeable future.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>      Walter
>> > >>>
>> > >>>      On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Elser<elserj@apache.org>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>      >  Just wanted to clarify: the Attic is not the right phrasing
>> for
>> > >>> podlings.
>> > >>>      >  Pirk would just retire from incubation. The following
doc
>> > >>> sums this
>> > >>> up.
>> > >>>      >
>> > >>>      >  https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>> > >>>      >
>> > >>>      >  Ellison Anne, I appreciate your candor in this situation.
I
>> > >>> am also
>> > >>> rather
>> > >>>      >  surprised at the radio silence from those who were previously
>> > >>> active
>> > >>> in
>> > >>>      >  Pirk. Tracy, Christopher, Walter, and Jacob: comments
or
>> > >>> opinions?
>> > >>>      >
>> > >>>      >  I would also be curious in hearing what Suneel and Tim
have
>> > >>> to say
>> > >>> (with
>> > >>>      >  the previous DISCUSS in mind).
>> > >>>      >
>> > >>>      >
>> > >>>      >  Ellison Anne Williams wrote:
>> > >>>      >
>> > >>>      >>  Hi Guys,
>> > >>>      >>
>> > >>>      >>  As per the recent discussion on the mailing list,
it seems
>> > >>> that it
>> > >>> may be
>> > >>>      >>  best to put Pirk in the attic for a while. For varying
>> > >>> reasons, the
>> > >>>      >>  previous active contributors don't seem to be able
to devote
>> > >>> serious
>> > >>>      >>  cycles
>> > >>>      >>  to Pirk right now and the Pirk community has not
been
>> > >>> growing. I
>> > >>> have
>> > >>>      >>  drafted the podling report below as such - please
let me
>> > >>> know if
>> > >>> think
>> > >>>      >>  otherwise. The podling report is due on Wednesday,
March 1.
>> > >>>      >>
>> > >>>      >>  Thanks-
>> > >>>      >>
>> > >>>      >>  Ellison Anne
>> > >>>      >>
>> > >>>      >>  PirkPirk is a framework for scalable Private Information
>> > >>> Retrieval
>> > >>>      >>  (PIR).Pirk has been incubating since 2016-06-17.
The initial
>> > >>> code
>> > >>> for
>> > >>>      >>  Pirk wasgranted on 2016-07-11.Three most important
issues to
>> > >>> address
>> > >>>      >>  in the move towards graduation:  1. Grow the community
to
>> > >>> establish
>> > >>>      >>  diversity of background and expertise.  2. Establish
a
>> formal
>> > >>> release
>> > >>>      >>  process and schedule, allowing for dependable  
  release
>> > >>> cycles in
>> > >>> a
>> > >>>      >>  manner consistent with the Apache development  
  process.
>> > >>> 3. Add
>> > >>> to
>> > >>>      >>  and improve the Pirk user documentation and examples
both on
>> > >>> the
>> > >>>      >>  website and in the codebaseAny issues that the Incubator
PMC
>> > >>> (IPMC)
>> > >>> or
>> > >>>      >>  ASF Board wish/need to beaware of?  Yes. The Pirk
community
>> > >>>      >>  participation and growth has stalled over the last
few
>> months.
>> > >>>      >>  Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing
list
>> about
>> > >>> retiring
>> > >>>      >>  Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now.How
has the
>> > >>> community
>> > >>>      >>  developed since the last report?  The Pirk community
has not
>> > >>> developed
>> > >>>      >>  since the last report - there have been no new contributors
>> or
>> > >>>      >>  committers added.How has the project developed since
the
>> last
>> > >>> report?
>> > >>>      >>  The Pirk project has stalled - the existing community
has
>> > >>> not been
>> > >>>      >>  active nor has the community grown.Date of last
release:
>> > >>> October 9,
>> > >>>      >>  2016When were the last committers or PMC members
elected?
>> > Pirk
>> > >>>      >>  elected two new committers (Tim Ellison and Suneel
Marthi,
>> > both
>> > >>>      >>  mentors) on August 18, 2016.
>> > >>>      >>
>> > >>>      >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> >
>>

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