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From Suneel Marthi <smar...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Draft Podling Report
Date Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:29:00 GMT
I concur with everything Tim's said below. As much as I would hate to see
this podling retired, its impossible to sustain this project without the
original committers around.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Tim Ellison <t.p.ellison@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 28/02/17 16:36, Josh Elser wrote:
> > I would reword the following:
> >
> > "Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list about retiring
> > Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now"
> >
> > to be something more like
> >
> > "A discussion on the mailing list resulted in multiple previous
> > contributors agreeing with a mentor suggestion to move Pirk towards
> > retirement."
> >
> > Given Tim and Suneel's contributions to the project, I want to hear back
> > from them again before moving forward with the retirement steps. As two
> > veterans, I would have confidence that they could continue the podling
> > if they so desire.
>
> Apologies for being quiet for the last few weeks.  That has been
> personal reasons rather than a lack of interest in Pirk.
>
> I also appreciate the confidence you express that Suneel and I could
> continue the podling.
>
> With the greatest of respect to Suneel, I think that would be very
> difficult without the original contributors' participation, as they have
> the deep background required to validate any proposed changes.  We have
> already seen cases where my enthusiastic enhancements have been tempered
> by the team's sober reality checks; and this is not the type of system
> that can survive rookie errors.  I really appreciate the patient
> mentoring offered to me by the community.
>
> If we are destined to loose the full set of initial committers then I
> think it is inevitable, and wise, to retire the podling.  I signed up as
> a mentor because this is a cool technology.  While I understand the
> reasons, I'll be disappointed to see it disappear from the Apache family.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> > Thanks, Ellison Anne.
> >
> > - Josh
> >
> > Ellison Anne Williams wrote:
> >> Any other feedback for the report? It's due tomorrow... Thanks!
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Wilder<
> >> jacobwilder.opensource@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I’m in the same boat as Walter—my duties at work have taken up a
> greater
> >>> portion of my time and I haven’t had the time to contribute to Pirk.
> >>>
> >>> On 2/27/17, 08:12, "Walter Ray-Dulany"<raydulany@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>      Sorry, I've been busy with work, and everything else has fallen
> >>> off of
> >>> my
> >>>      plate.
> >>>
> >>>      I don't have time to be involved for the foreseeable future.
> >>>
> >>>      Walter
> >>>
> >>>      On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Elser<elserj@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>      >  Just wanted to clarify: the Attic is not the right phrasing for
> >>> podlings.
> >>>      >  Pirk would just retire from incubation. The following doc
> >>> sums this
> >>> up.
> >>>      >
> >>>      >  https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> >>>      >
> >>>      >  Ellison Anne, I appreciate your candor in this situation. I
> >>> am also
> >>> rather
> >>>      >  surprised at the radio silence from those who were previously
> >>> active
> >>> in
> >>>      >  Pirk. Tracy, Christopher, Walter, and Jacob: comments or
> >>> opinions?
> >>>      >
> >>>      >  I would also be curious in hearing what Suneel and Tim have
> >>> to say
> >>> (with
> >>>      >  the previous DISCUSS in mind).
> >>>      >
> >>>      >
> >>>      >  Ellison Anne Williams wrote:
> >>>      >
> >>>      >>  Hi Guys,
> >>>      >>
> >>>      >>  As per the recent discussion on the mailing list, it seems
> >>> that it
> >>> may be
> >>>      >>  best to put Pirk in the attic for a while. For varying
> >>> reasons, the
> >>>      >>  previous active contributors don't seem to be able to devote
> >>> serious
> >>>      >>  cycles
> >>>      >>  to Pirk right now and the Pirk community has not been
> >>> growing. I
> >>> have
> >>>      >>  drafted the podling report below as such - please let me
> >>> know if
> >>> think
> >>>      >>  otherwise. The podling report is due on Wednesday, March
1.
> >>>      >>
> >>>      >>  Thanks-
> >>>      >>
> >>>      >>  Ellison Anne
> >>>      >>
> >>>      >>  PirkPirk is a framework for scalable Private Information
> >>> Retrieval
> >>>      >>  (PIR).Pirk has been incubating since 2016-06-17. The initial
> >>> code
> >>> for
> >>>      >>  Pirk wasgranted on 2016-07-11.Three most important issues
to
> >>> address
> >>>      >>  in the move towards graduation:  1. Grow the community to
> >>> establish
> >>>      >>  diversity of background and expertise.  2. Establish a formal
> >>> release
> >>>      >>  process and schedule, allowing for dependable     release
> >>> cycles in
> >>> a
> >>>      >>  manner consistent with the Apache development     process.
> >>> 3. Add
> >>> to
> >>>      >>  and improve the Pirk user documentation and examples both
on
> >>> the
> >>>      >>  website and in the codebaseAny issues that the Incubator
PMC
> >>> (IPMC)
> >>> or
> >>>      >>  ASF Board wish/need to beaware of?  Yes. The Pirk community
> >>>      >>  participation and growth has stalled over the last few months.
> >>>      >>  Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list about
> >>> retiring
> >>>      >>  Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now.How has the
> >>> community
> >>>      >>  developed since the last report?  The Pirk community has
not
> >>> developed
> >>>      >>  since the last report - there have been no new contributors
or
> >>>      >>  committers added.How has the project developed since the
last
> >>> report?
> >>>      >>  The Pirk project has stalled - the existing community has
> >>> not been
> >>>      >>  active nor has the community grown.Date of last release:
> >>> October 9,
> >>>      >>  2016When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
> Pirk
> >>>      >>  elected two new committers (Tim Ellison and Suneel Marthi,
> both
> >>>      >>  mentors) on August 18, 2016.
> >>>      >>
> >>>      >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>

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