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From Greg Brown <gkbr...@mac.com>
Subject Re: [RFC] Selection change events
Date Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:31:37 GMT
I think that the nice thing about this approach is that the API does remain consistent (the
listener method still retains the previous selection argument), but we still save the performance
hit when the event is fired due to an indirect change.

If no one has any additional concerns, I'll probably try to tackle this next week.


On Jun 25, 2010, at 7:20 PM, aappddeevv wrote:

> 
> This is a good point actually and actually I think the e4/jface breaks out
> selection into multiple firings in order to help with performance although
> in the post selection listener (the very last call) it does do an entire
> diff calculation-but its only once. So if we stick with just one firing for
> selection, the null may be more conservative. I guess this is balanced
> against consistency of the API though.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Brown [mailto:gkbrown@mac.com] 
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:30 AM
> To: dev@pivot.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [RFC] Selection change events
> 
> It would be a needless performance hit. Every time you add or remove an item
> from the model, we'd need to create a copy of the entire selection state
> just to include it in the event. Since, as you pointed out, the common case
> is probably to ignore the previous selection argument, this would be
> wasteful. As a developer, I'd rather deal with a potential null argument
> value than a performance hit that I can't avoid.
> 
> On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Noel Grandin wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> OK, I see your case.
>> 
>> I'm just concerned about the "sometimes previousSelected is available,
> sometimes it's not" situation.
>> 
>> Perhaps we should rather just take the complexity knock and always work
> out the previous selection - what was the
>> problem here again?
>> 
>> -- Noel
>> 
>> Greg Brown wrote:
>>> Hi Noel,
>>> 
>>> I did think about removing that argument, but there are a few reasons why
> I didn't think it was the right approach:
>>> 
>>> 1) All of our other property change events carry a previous value, so
> this would create an inconsistency.
>>> 
>>> 2) I think there are potentially valid use cases for it. Let's say I have
> a list view containing 10 image file names. Next to the list view I have a
> grid view containing image thumbnails. When an image is selected, I want to
> set a background color for the corresponding image; when deselected, I want
> to clear it. It will be more efficient to implement this logic if I have
> access to the previous selected indexes. This is a contrived example but I'm
> sure that someone will run into a real-world use case for it.
>>> 
>>> 3) It is already supported and carries almost no overhead, so taking it
> out would be removing potentially useful functionality.
>>> 
>>> Another possibility is to create a new listener interface to fire this
> event, similar to TextInputTextListener, which defines textChanged() and
> does not include the previous value. However, we already have
> ListViewSelectionListener, so I'm not sure what we might call it. That's how
> I came to the idea of simply overloading the previous value argument.
>>> 
>>> This does make me realize that TextInput is also a bit inconsistent,
> since setText() fires textChanged() and does not pass the previous value. So
> it may actually make sense to consolidate TextInputCharacterListener and
> TextInputTextListener into a single interface and take a similar approach
> there.
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
>>> On Jun 25, 2010, at 4:25 AM, Noel Grandin wrote:
>>> 
>>>> HI
>>>> 
>>>> I think your change is a good idea, but I don't really like using null
>>>> as an indicator of something special.
>>>> It sounds like an invitation to make mistakes about when the parameter
>>>> is or is not useful.
>>>> 
>>>> Why don't we just make this a special case and drop the "previous"
>>>> parameters?
>>>> I can't see many callers wanting to make use of it, and they could
>>>> always keep track of it themselves if they really need to.
>>>> 
>>>> -- Noel
>>>> 
>>>> Greg Brown wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am thinking about making a change to how selection change events are
> fired and I would like to hear your feedback. Currently, selection change
> events are fired only when an explicit call has been made that affects the
> selection. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> For example, in ListView, calling either setSelectedRanges() or
> clearSelection() will fire this event. However, an operation that indirectly
> changes the selection state (such as adding or removing an item from the
> ListView's model data) does not trigger an event. This was originally done
> by design - selectedRangesChanged() includes the previous selection as an
> argument, and we didn't want to have to manually re-construct that every
> time the selection changed as a side effect of a model change:
>>>>> 
>>>>> public void selectedRangesChanged(ListView listView, Sequence<Span>
> previousSelectedRanges);
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, in practice, I have found this to be a bit challenging. More
> than once I have registered a selection change listener expecting to receive
> notification of all selection changes, forgetting that it is not designed
> that way. If I am getting tripped up by this, I'm guessing that other
> developers might be as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, I am proposing that components that maintain a selection state also
> fire selection change events when the selection changes indirectly. In this
> case, a null value would be passed for the previous selection. This will
> save the effort of re-constructing the previous selection info and will give
> the listener additional information about the nature of the change (i.e.
> null == indirect state change).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please let me know what you think.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your input,
>>>>> Greg
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
> 


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