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From Carl Trieloff <cctriel...@redhat.com>
Subject Re: maven
Date Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:37:28 GMT
duplicate, thought my mailed had trashed my previous send.

Carl Trieloff wrote:
> Steve Vinoski wrote:
>> Not to start a protracted Maven war, but the benefits of Maven are 
>> many. In no particular order:
> (I would not classify my last mail as an anti Maven mail)
>> 1. Using it shows us as good Apache community citizens, as many new 
>> projects around here use it.
> Ant is also Apache
>> 2. Using the regular Maven directory structure enables new 
>> contributors to easily get up to speed.
>> 3. It easily allows us to manage dependencies, which granted we 
>> currently have few of (though more than I initially thought), but 
>> that number will grow, for example as new persistence solutions are 
>> introduced.
> Not for all our stuff today - issues around things like Mina
>> 4. It enables us to easily produce snapshots and releases into the 
>> Apache repository so that other projects can be based on us.
>> 5. It gives us simple set up for Eclipse and IntelliJ workspaces.
>> 6. It gives us code coverage.
> Not true, PMD, CheckStyle, etc integrations give us this
>> 7. It gives us the ability to turn on code style checking at build 
>> time, assuming we want that someday (it's definitely got my vote).
> Not a maven exclusive
>> 8. We can easily pick up Maven plugins and use them at will, without 
>> having to write Ant targets or import specialized Ant task classes.
>> 9. It makes creating distributions dead easy.
>> 10. It's much faster and more scalable than Ant.
>> I can come up with more good reasons if you like.
>> Not to mention that the sooner we move to it, the less work it will 
>> be. If we wait, the code base will grow and just make it that much 
>> harder to move to a new build system and directory structure.
>> IONA has a number of projects, both open source and company-internal, 
>> using Maven, and it's been working great for all of them. Given my 
>> long history and experience with software configuration management 
>> and build systems, I am generally skeptical of tools like Maven that 
>> come along and make lots of promises. However, my hat is definitely 
>> off to the Maven guys, it's a great system that delivers the goods.
> I can point out that I introduced Maven to IONA, so yes I know the 
> benefits of Maven and I like it a LOT. So Steve I don't see this mail 
> as a war, just the practicalities of what I have to do to make the 
> code donation and move the project to Apache. I would like to complete 
> this
> process so that I can know the apache svn is correctly imported and we 
> can create a baseline build and make sure all is good. If we go
> to Maven I want us to discuss the issues, and how we want it set up 
> and make sure that works for all.
> For example, I want to see the impact on the dir structure and look if 
> we want to make the C++ make structure match for example,want to know 
> what we are going to do with Mina, etc... I don't think Maven is going 
> to solve all the issues, and want us to make sure the ones that is 
> does not we know how we are going to solve them.
> Regards
> Carl.
>> More details will be forthcoming as I progress my Maven work for Qpid.
>> --steve
>> On Sep 7, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>> Would like to park the maven discussion until Steve comes back with 
>>> something that we can concretely
>>> discuss. My view is Maven does not help us any at this stage, and 
>>> there are better uses of time right
>>> now on the code base, (but that is my view) and I might change it 
>>> after Steve comes back with his
>>> research.
>>> Regards
>>> Carl.
>>> steven.x.shaw@jpmorgan.com wrote:
>>>> Could be wonderful. Maven makes alot of promises. I really like he 
>>>> IDE file generation. Maven seem popular at Apache.
>>>> I did spent a while trying to get Maven 2.0.2 and then 2.0.4 
>>>> working to build Mina here at JPMC. It just wouldn't work. I 
>>>> configured my http proxy. It couldn't download the 
>>>> maven-compiler-plugin I think. At home it worked fine :). I figure 
>>>> that I was having some kind of firewall issue but the error 
>>>> messages leave alot to be desired! I ended up building mina-core 
>>>> with a very short shell script...
>>>> Steve.
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