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From Carl Trieloff <cctriel...@redhat.com>
Subject Re: IRC, IM, etc.
Date Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:17:12 GMT

For some reason my posts are getting dropped or delayed. re-send.

Carl Trieloff wrote:
> Steve Vinoski wrote:
>> On Nov 14, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>> From informal discussion, IRC, IM etc this morning that I want to 
>>> reflect back onto the list  some of the informal comments. From 
>>> these watercooler discussion it is clear to me that we don't have 
>>> anyone with deep maven experience which is creating unease.
>> A point of order: having these offline discussions is not the way 
>> things are supposed to happen. Reflecting them back to this list does 
>> not make it right. You're having discussions about maven work without 
>> inviting anyone with maven knowledge to the table.
> Not true.
>> and then implicitly forcing decisions based on those discussions back 
>> onto this list.
> Not true.
>> Please keep important issues like this off IRC, IM, and such, and in 
>> this mailing list, so that we can all participate.
> ... the key is that no business is conducted or decisions are made off 
> the list. however if I walk into you in a pub or speak to someone in a 
> cafeteria you can be sure we will talk. For example you and I IM every 
> now and again, and you can IRC to the asfinfra team....
> To this end, I head some concerns from others, and brought this 
> straight back to the list. I hope that you will do the same. Bringing 
> items to the list so that we can have an open public list discussion 
> is the right way to do it (which is what is current happening on the 
> list on the maven topic), and not to pretend that no-one ever speaks 
> to anyone else.  I wrote a similar mail when I noted your concerns 
> about trying to get maven done with all the changes in the tests, to 
> check group consensus to merge the test changes directly on main-line, 
> and yes you and I IM'ed at bit that morning - the discussion to open a 
> window for maven was however discussed on the list.
> To expect that someone will not IM/IRC someone they know to ask a 
> question is absurd. The key is what you say above: ---> that no 
> project decisions are happening off list <--
> This is exactly why I wrote the mail I did on the maven topic on the 
> list,
> regards,
> Carl.
>> --steve
>> P.S. If there actually is an informal Qpid IRC channel, can someone 
>> point me to it? Also, it would be best to put the details on the wiki 
>> if they're not already there.

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