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From Arnaud Simon <asi...@redhat.com>
Subject Re: dtx integration
Date Wed, 30 May 2007 16:07:20 GMT
Hello Marnie,

As I cannot update the wiki yet, I have opened a JIRA (QPID-503) that
contains some design info. 

Regards
Arnaud


On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 21:08 +0100, Marnie McCormack wrote:
> On the subjedct of dtx, I think it'd be useful if the design info was
> attached to the relvant JIRAs on the Qpid wiki too - apologies if it has
> been added since I last looked ?
> 
> Regards,
> Marnie
> 
> 
> On 5/24/07, Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Few comments,
> >
> > the only reason is on a Red Hat site is that Red Hat has volunteered the
> > resources for
> > the protocol for the group to work on. On the issue with the docs, most
> > of the work has
> > moved to using plain wiki and not working in docs, so if you look at the
> > transport pages
> > that is in wiki and list form.
> >
> > The lock icon issue is just that it is hosted from SSL, I will file an
> > issue on that and get it fixed,
> > however I like the idea of creating a page on the qpid site for each
> > feature that we Qpid
> > implement and place all the relevant specification material on it to
> > make it easy for the
> > Qpid community.
> >
> > Carl.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> > > One more thought:
> > >
> > > The ideal thing is obviously to have all docs necessary to get
> > > involved with Qpid actually on the Qpid site.  It's also a little
> > > strange to need to go to a redhat.com URL to get docs related to an
> > > Apache project's implementation.  So for those reasons I would suggest
> > > moving the docs to the Qpid wiki (which is actually what Rajith
> > > suggested a month ago -- it just didn't appear it was ever done).
> > >
> > > Cliff
> > >
> > > On 5/24/07, Cliff Schmidt <cliffschmidt@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I figured this was probably a mistake, but it's definitely important
> > >> to make sure that no other specs have this problem if you're going to
> > >> keep them on the AMQP site.  I'm just concerned that someone new to
> > >> Apache will try getting involved with Qpid and think that this is how
> > >> things are intended to be and not even speak up about the problem.
> > >>
> > >> I only tried about half the links on the page (particularly the ones
> > >> with lock icons next to them), but the ones that definitely would not
> > >> give me access without logging in were the last three links on the
> > >> page -- the three dtx pdf files.
> > >>
> > >> Cliff
> > >>
> > >> On 5/24/07, Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Cliff
> > >> >
> > >> > That is a posting error, sometimes if someone posts a document when
> > >> > logged in it requires you to be logged in to view them. This is
> > >> just an
> > >> > issues with how they where posted, not about intent for them to be
> > >> open.
> > >> > I can post copies to the list if desired. BTW, which docs do you have
> > >> > the issue with as I seem to be able to open them all.
> > >> >
> > >> > Carl.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> > >> > > On 5/24/07, Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >> > >> Cliff, Paul,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> yes, all the dev lists and wiki are public
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> amqp.108.redhat.com has links to them. You can also get to
them
> > >> form the
> > >> > >> www.amqp.org. All the JIRA
> > >> > >> text is also being posted to the dev list so all development
> > >> activity
> > >> > >> can be read by anyone. The
> > >> > >> pages on the dtx stuff are here:
> > >> > >> https://wiki.108.redhat.com/wiki/index.php/AMQP:Transaction_SIG
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Carl,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This is exactly the page where I noticed that the three dtx pdf
> > >> files
> > >> > > all require a username and password.  Maybe you don't get this
> > >> prompt
> > >> > > due to a cached credentials; but that's what I get.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This is why I ask the question.  Are there other specifications
> > >> being
> > >> > > used that are password-controlled?  Was this unintentional? 
If so,
> > >> > > when can this get fixed (i.e. remove password control from all
> > >> > > relevant docs on the AMQP site or simply copy all relevant docs
> > >> to the
> > >> > > Qpid wiki)?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Cliff
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Paul Fremantle wrote:
> > >> > >> > Cliff
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > Aha. Thanks for spotting this. I raised the same issue
over on
> > >> > >> > Tuscany-Dev a while back.
> > >> > >> > I think the first thing we need to see is what NDAs
or License
> > >> > >> > agreements do you need to sign to join the AMQP working
group.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > Paul
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > PS I don't want to hear you have to sign an NDA to see
the NDA
> > >> :-)
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > On 5/24/07, Cliff Schmidt <cliffschmidt@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >> > >> >> On 4/30/07, Rajith Attapattu <rajith77@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >> > >> >> > Aranud,
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >> > Non working group memeber are not allowed to
access the
> > >> AMQP wiki.
> > >> > >> >> > So it's better to put the design in the Qpid
wiki.
> > >> > >> >>
> > >> > >> >> Did this ever get fixed?  I don't see much on dtx
on the Qpid
> > >> wiki
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> >> several of the AMQP specification pages appear to
be locked.
> > >> > >> >>
> > >> > >> >> I haven't gotten this impression before, but now
I have to
> > >> ask -- has
> > >> > >> >> there been Qpid implementation work going on that
is based on
> > >> > >> >> specifications that are not available to the public?
> > >> > >> >>
> > >> > >> >> Cliff
> > >> > >> >>
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >> > Regards,
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >> > Rajith.
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >> > On 4/24/07, Marnie McCormack <marnie.mccormack@googlemail.com
> > >
> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Arnaud,
> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >> > >> >> > > Sorry if I'm missing something - but it's
the info on the
> > >> > >> >> implementation
> > >> > >> >> > > for
> > >> > >> >> > > Qpid I'm looking for, as opposed to protocol
definitions ?
> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >> > >> >> > > Is that level of detail available for
a Qpid JIRA or is
> > >> that yet
> > >> > >> >> to come ?
> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >> > >> >> > > Bfn,
> > >> > >> >> > > Marnie
> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >> > >> >> > > On 4/24/07, Arnaud Simon <asimon@redhat.com>
wrote:
> > >> > >> >> > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > Hi Marnie,
> > >> > >> >> > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > You'll find all the material on the
AMPQ wiki:
> > >> > >> >> > > >
> > >> https://wiki.108.redhat.com/wiki/index.php/AMQP:Transaction_SIG
> > >> > >> >> > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > Do no hesitate to email me if you
have questions.
> > >> > >> >> > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > Regards
> > >> > >> >> > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > Arnaud
> > >> > >> >> > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 12:35 +0100,
Marnie McCormack
> > wrote:
> > >> > >> >> > > > > Hi Arnaud,
> > >> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > > What JIRA(s) are you working
on ? I'd like to have a
> > >> look
> > >> > >> at the
> > >> > >> >> > > > > plan/design for the dtx work
on Qpid - is it doc'd
> > >> somewhere
> > >> > >> >> please ?
> > >> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,
> > >> > >> >> > > > > Marnie
> > >> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > > On 4/23/07, Arnaud Simon <asimon@redhat.com>
wrote:
> > >> > >> >> > > > >         Hi,
> > >> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > >         After having talked
with Rob, we came to the
> > >> > >> >> conclusion that I
> > >> > >> >> > > > >         can
> > >> > >> >> > > > >         integrate my dtx work
with the current
> > >> version of the
> > >> > >> >> trunk.
> > >> > >> >> > > > >         This is what I am currently
doing and I'll
> > >> provide
> > >> > >> >> patches
> > >> > >> >> > > > >         through a
> > >> > >> >> > > > >         regular committer.
> > >> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > >         Regards
> > >> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > >> >> > > > >         Arnaud
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