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From Ken Giusti <kgiu...@redhat.com>
Subject Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
Date Mon, 06 Jul 2015 17:08:48 GMT
crap - hit "send" by accident.

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Giusti" <kgiusti@redhat.com>
> To: users@qpid.apache.org
> Cc: "Qpid Dev" <dev@qpid.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 1:06:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com>
> > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org>
> > Cc: "Qpid Dev" <dev@qpid.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:46:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
> > CPP 0.34
> > 
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Ken Giusti <kgiusti@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Ken Giusti" <kgiusti@redhat.com>
> > > > Cc: users@qpid.apache.org, "Qpid Dev" <dev@qpid.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 12:10:24 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release
> > > Qpid CPP 0.34
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Ken Giusti <kgiusti@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Matt,
> > > > >
> > > > > As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware,  Darryl Pierce
> > > > > has
> > > > > created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID packages
> > > > > for
> > > > > ubuntu users:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://launchpad.net/~qpid
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this up
to
> > > date
> > > > > - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
> > > > >
> > > > > While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build
> > > packages
> > > > > for ubuntu :(
> > > > >
> > > > > If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I can
> > > > > add
> > > > > them to the membership list.
> > > > >
> > > > > -K
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ken,
> > > > I have incredibly limited experience with building these packages, but
> > > was
> > > > able to build (and update) Daryls packages previously. I gather that
> > > > the
> > > > issue with timing for previous releases revolved around a Debian
> > > > mentor?
> > > >
> > > >  I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I've seen more successful Ubuntu
> > > > packaging efforts from e.g. rethinkdb and rabbitmq. In each of these
> > > cases
> > > > the project hosts the package repo themselves, affording them freedom
> > > > to
> > > > release when they want, and (at least in rabbitmqs case) completely
> > > > automate the creation of the packages.
> > > >
> > > > I would definitely love to have an in depth conversation about up to
> > > > date
> > > > qpid packages, as we depend upon them.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm also very keen on having the latest QPID releases easily available
> > > for
> > > Ubuntu.  My work on Openstack would benefit from having the latest qpidd
> > > and proton available as pre-build packages.
> > >
> > > While having qpid and proton packages in the official Debian and ubuntu
> > > distros would be ideal, I'm not sure that should be our immediate goal.
> > > Darryl spend a lot of time trying to get newer packages into Debian with
> > > little to show for it.  Personally, I don't have the bandwidth to take
> > > that
> > > on.  But, more importantly, those distros are very slow to adopt newer
> > > releases (especially Debian).  While this is a Good Thing for Debian and
> > > Ubuntu LTS users, I don't think it fits well with the QPID project's
> > > release cadence.
> > >
> > > Personally, I much prefer simply having a well maintained Launchpad PPA
> > > for the Qpid project, and providing a link to it on the Qpid Downloads
> > > page.  Darryl has set up 2 PPAs for QPID: one for testing pre-released
> > > packages and one for proper releases.  Users who want to track the latest
> > > can add the stable PPA to their system's repositories via
> > > apt-add-repository.  Users who would rather use a particular release can
> > > simply download it via the web page.
> > >
> > > That said, it requires work to maintain that PPA.  Packages would need to
> > > be built (for what architectures?) for each release candidate as well as
> > > for the final release.   I suspect that's a non-trivial time and effort
> > > commitment.
> > >
> > > -K
> > >
> > >
> > Hey,
> > 
> > I think you misunderstood what I was proposing. I don't think it's likely
> > that these packages are going to get into ubuntu/debian official repos any
> > time soon (afaict getting that to happen is basically a full time job! and
> > closed atm to boot). I was saying that RabbitMQ, for example, as part of
> > their release process runs a set of scripts that automatically generates
> > packages and updates their self-hosted PPA (I imagine RethinkDB is also
> > doing this).
> > 
> 
> Ah, gotcha - sorry.  I'm in complete agreement with you on this one.
> 
> 
> > If something like that were possible for QPID that would be fantastic, as
> > we might be able to script away the entire ordeal - thus reducing human
> > bandwidth requirements here. I suppose I was inquiring as to whether that's
> > something the project would be interested in (or even has the resources
> > for)?
> > 
> 
> +1
> 
> We have something slightly analogous in the qpid c++ broker for building the
> windows installer:
> 
> 

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/qpid/trunk/qpid/packaging/windows/

We should keep a set of scripts in the source tree for building .debs (as well as rpms, etc).


> > Outside of that, I wrote a small guide in an issue of the debian packaging
> > repo for proton (see:
> > https://github.com/mcpierce/debian-qpid-proton/issues/4). Perhaps we could
> > work together with Darryl to put together a more complete release guide,
> > and begin to share the responsibility?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Matt
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gsim@redhat.com
> > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes,
with no
> > > other
> > > > > > >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo.
The website
> > > will be
> > > > > > >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to
sync to the
> > > > > mirrors.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this,
Robbie!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing
> > > > > > packages
> > > > > will
> > > > > > be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Matt
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > -K
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -K
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> > 
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> --
> -K
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