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From Ignacio Solis <iso...@igso.net>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Samza Logo
Date Sat, 22 Apr 2017 21:42:41 GMT
Hi folks.

>From the comments and the votes it seems we are leaning towards the
circles logo.

I will proceed with this and get in touch with the designer for any
details we may want to change.

Cheers,

Nacho

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Jagadish Venkatraman
<jagadish1989@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, I already voted last week. I liked the orbital loop one the best:-)
>
> The dots appear to signify processor nodes, and the streams connect them.
> Also, it has a nice "S" like pattern aligning with Samza. Also, I did not
> like the "color blind" dots as much as the orbital loop :D
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Navina Ramesh <
> nramesh@linkedin.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> @Renato:
>> Thanks for your feedback. Always appreciate help from our contributors :)
>>
>> @Jagadish:
>> Thanks for stating your points. It is clear that you are against the
>> butterfly ones. But are you in support of any of the others? Please vote :)
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Navina
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Jagadish Venkatraman <
>> jagadish1989@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > FWIW, I have a contrarian perspective on this one. Here's my 2 cents:
>> >
>> > I'm -1 for having for our logo to do anything with a butterfly.
>> >
>> > - Samza and Kafka are separate top-level projects. I do not think the
>> > connection to Franz Kafka's novel on "metamorphosis", and the fact that a
>> > salesman named "Samsa" in the novel was transformed to an "insect" should
>> > dictate our logo.  Agreed, the butterfly is a cute insect remotely
>> > relatable(?) to stream processing via a convoluted story.
>> >
>> > - For a choice of a mascot, I'd much rather have something that signifies
>> > scale, sturdiness or swiftness instead of a cute butterfly :-)
>> >
>> > - The 2 other non-butterfly logos at-least have a "node", "stream",
>> > "edges", "graph" like feel which I like.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jagadish
>> >
>> > On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Jacob Maes <jacob.maes@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I think I voted the exact opposite to everyone else in this thread.
>> > >
>> > > I don't want anything to do with a butterfly. The metaphor is even
>> > further
>> > > removed from the Samsa story than a cockroach, so I think we should
>> give
>> > up
>> > > on that. I don't want a mascot; we're not building a university
>> football
>> > > team. And as animals go, the only slower one I can think of is a sloth,
>> > so
>> > > I don't feel a butterfly says "scalable stream processing". This,
>> > combined
>> > > with my preference to eschew the color red for logos, puts the red
>> > > butterfly last.
>> > >
>> > > The blue butterfly is a little more abstract and formal looking, but
>> > still
>> > > a butterfly, so that is second to last.
>> > >
>> > > The other 2 are very close, in my opinion.
>> > >
>> > > The one with the circles is reminiscent of orbital loops, which gives
>> me
>> > > the feeling of scale. It also has the dots at varying places along the
>> > > lines, which to me conveys the different proportions of input/output
>> > stream
>> > > sizes/TTLs. And the cyclical shape could also be used for animations
>> > > portraying the concept of "reprocessing"
>> > >
>> > > The one with the "S" dots reminds me of the Kafka logo without the
>> lines.
>> > > If the lines are the streams and the dots are processing nodes, then I
>> > > think it's clever for the Samza logo to be a "negative" of the Kafka
>> one.
>> > > That's not to say samza is any more related to Kafka than it is; but if
>> > the
>> > > Kafka logo says "streams" then to me this Samza logo says "processors"
>> > >
>> > > My 2 cents.
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Ignacio Solis <isolis@igso.net>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > You're making me feel bad for linking that one! :-)
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't see it as a maze. To me, that one is like circles that turn,
>> > > > representing the processing. Like cogs on an engine. The little
>> > > > circles are like the messages. The concentric circles are like the
>> > > > streams.
>> > > >
>> > > > The red butterfly is my second favorite.
>> > > >
>> > > > Vote note:
>> > > >
>> > > > Once we close voting we'll look at the actual results.  The way the
>> > > > ranking gets calculated it you don't vote for a design at all, that
>> > > > vote does not get factored in. It assumes you have no opinion. So
if
>> > > > somebody votes 5 stars on A and 1 start on B.  And second person only
>> > > > votes 5 stars on B, then the ranking would be  A-5 stars, B-3 stars.
>> > > > (or something along those lines).   So if you only vote on the 5 star
>> > > > ones, you're missing your vote on the ones you don't like.
>> > > >
>> > > > So, once we close, we'll see how people voted.
>> > > >
>> > > > Nacho
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Yi Pan <nickpan47@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> > > > > Really? The one with the maze on the left currently is top one?
I
>> > can't
>> > > > > relate to that either. My favorite was the logo w/ Taiji symbol.
>> > Since
>> > > > that
>> > > > > did not make the top 4, I am voting for the red bufferfly one,
same
>> > as
>> > > > > Navina.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Yi
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Navina Ramesh
>> > > > <nramesh@linkedin.com.invalid
>> > > > >> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> I prefer to have open discussions in the official mailing
list or
>> > JIRA
>> > > > >> since it is an open-community. It also helps track the
>> discussions.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Fwiw, I am in favor of the red themed butterfly design because:
>> > > > >> 1. Knowing the origin of the name "Samza" (from Gregor Samsa
>> > character
>> > > > in
>> > > > >> "Metamorphosis"), it isn't very far-fetched in terms of relating
>> > > stream
>> > > > >> processing to some kind of transformation. Butterfly is probably
>> the
>> > > > >> prettiest insect to associate with "metamorphosis", without
giving
>> > the
>> > > > >> impression of a bug :)
>> > > > >> 2. Red theme ties it with the current logo, although we can
>> > improvise
>> > > on
>> > > > >> the gradients.
>> > > > >> 3. We can have a "mascot" , instead of an abstract symbol.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> One comment on the butterfly one - it seems to have only
1
>> antenna.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> -1 for the dots only logo. It feels like a color-blindness
test :D
>> > > > >> -1 for the blue-based logo - it is just not relatable and
it's an
>> > > > extreme
>> > > > >> change from the current one.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> I couldn't relate to the circular one. What are are trying
to
>> > > > portray/imply
>> > > > >> here. That we are a bunch of disconnected links?
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Thanks!
>> > > > >> Navina
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Ignacio Solis <isolis@igso.net>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> > Vote directly at design crowd.  But feel free to leave
comments
>> > > here,
>> > > > >> > maybe you can try to persuade people or argue for your
favorite.
>> > :-)
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Nacho
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Navina Ramesh
>> > > > >> > <nramesh@linkedin.com.invalid> wrote:
>> > > > >> > > Hi Nacho,
>> > > > >> > > Do you want us to vote on this mail thread or directly
at
>> design
>> > > > crowd?
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > > Thanks!
>> > > > >> > > Navina
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ignacio Solis
<
>> isolis@igso.net
>> > >
>> > > > >> wrote:
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> Hi folks.
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> After some feedback and culling, we are down
to 4 candidates.
>> > > > Please
>> > > > >> > >> vote on your favorite designs. We will be able
to make minor
>> > > > >> > >> modifications to the selected logo as we talk
to the
>> designer.
>> > > We
>> > > > can
>> > > > >> > >> always have changes in colors or fonts.
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> http://www.designcrowd.com/vote/apachesamzalogo
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> This poll will stay open for about a week to
collect all
>> votes
>> > > and
>> > > > >> > >> comments.
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> For completeness, the relevant JIRA is this:
>> > > > >> > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SAMZA-1111
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> Cheers,
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> Nacho
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> --
>> > > > >> > >> Nacho - Ignacio Solis - isolis@igso.net
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > > --
>> > > > >> > > Navina R.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > --
>> > > > >> > Nacho - Ignacio Solis - isolis@igso.net
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> --
>> > > > >> Navina R.
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Nacho - Ignacio Solis - isolis@igso.net
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jagadish V,
>> > Graduate Student,
>> > Department of Computer Science,
>> > Stanford University
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Navina R.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jagadish V,
> Graduate Student,
> Department of Computer Science,
> Stanford University



-- 
Nacho - Ignacio Solis - isolis@igso.net

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