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From Jagadish Venkatraman <jagadish1...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Samza Logo
Date Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:38:20 GMT
FWIW, I have a contrarian perspective on this one. Here's my 2 cents:

I'm -1 for having for our logo to do anything with a butterfly.

- Samza and Kafka are separate top-level projects. I do not think the
connection to Franz Kafka's novel on "metamorphosis", and the fact that a
salesman named "Samsa" in the novel was transformed to an "insect" should
dictate our logo.  Agreed, the butterfly is a cute insect remotely
relatable(?) to stream processing via a convoluted story.

- For a choice of a mascot, I'd much rather have something that signifies
scale, sturdiness or swiftness instead of a cute butterfly :-)

- The 2 other non-butterfly logos at-least have a "node", "stream",
"edges", "graph" like feel which I like.

Thanks,
Jagadish

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Jacob Maes <jacob.maes@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think I voted the exact opposite to everyone else in this thread.
>
> I don't want anything to do with a butterfly. The metaphor is even further
> removed from the Samsa story than a cockroach, so I think we should give up
> on that. I don't want a mascot; we're not building a university football
> team. And as animals go, the only slower one I can think of is a sloth, so
> I don't feel a butterfly says "scalable stream processing". This, combined
> with my preference to eschew the color red for logos, puts the red
> butterfly last.
>
> The blue butterfly is a little more abstract and formal looking, but still
> a butterfly, so that is second to last.
>
> The other 2 are very close, in my opinion.
>
> The one with the circles is reminiscent of orbital loops, which gives me
> the feeling of scale. It also has the dots at varying places along the
> lines, which to me conveys the different proportions of input/output stream
> sizes/TTLs. And the cyclical shape could also be used for animations
> portraying the concept of "reprocessing"
>
> The one with the "S" dots reminds me of the Kafka logo without the lines.
> If the lines are the streams and the dots are processing nodes, then I
> think it's clever for the Samza logo to be a "negative" of the Kafka one.
> That's not to say samza is any more related to Kafka than it is; but if the
> Kafka logo says "streams" then to me this Samza logo says "processors"
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Ignacio Solis <isolis@igso.net> wrote:
>
> > You're making me feel bad for linking that one! :-)
> >
> > I don't see it as a maze. To me, that one is like circles that turn,
> > representing the processing. Like cogs on an engine. The little
> > circles are like the messages. The concentric circles are like the
> > streams.
> >
> > The red butterfly is my second favorite.
> >
> > Vote note:
> >
> > Once we close voting we'll look at the actual results.  The way the
> > ranking gets calculated it you don't vote for a design at all, that
> > vote does not get factored in. It assumes you have no opinion. So if
> > somebody votes 5 stars on A and 1 start on B.  And second person only
> > votes 5 stars on B, then the ranking would be  A-5 stars, B-3 stars.
> > (or something along those lines).   So if you only vote on the 5 star
> > ones, you're missing your vote on the ones you don't like.
> >
> > So, once we close, we'll see how people voted.
> >
> > Nacho
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Yi Pan <nickpan47@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Really? The one with the maze on the left currently is top one? I can't
> > > relate to that either. My favorite was the logo w/ Taiji symbol. Since
> > that
> > > did not make the top 4, I am voting for the red bufferfly one, same as
> > > Navina.
> > >
> > > -Yi
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Navina Ramesh
> > <nramesh@linkedin.com.invalid
> > >> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I prefer to have open discussions in the official mailing list or JIRA
> > >> since it is an open-community. It also helps track the discussions.
> > >>
> > >> Fwiw, I am in favor of the red themed butterfly design because:
> > >> 1. Knowing the origin of the name "Samza" (from Gregor Samsa character
> > in
> > >> "Metamorphosis"), it isn't very far-fetched in terms of relating
> stream
> > >> processing to some kind of transformation. Butterfly is probably the
> > >> prettiest insect to associate with "metamorphosis", without giving the
> > >> impression of a bug :)
> > >> 2. Red theme ties it with the current logo, although we can improvise
> on
> > >> the gradients.
> > >> 3. We can have a "mascot" , instead of an abstract symbol.
> > >>
> > >> One comment on the butterfly one - it seems to have only 1 antenna.
> > >>
> > >> -1 for the dots only logo. It feels like a color-blindness test :D
> > >> -1 for the blue-based logo - it is just not relatable and it's an
> > extreme
> > >> change from the current one.
> > >>
> > >> I couldn't relate to the circular one. What are are trying to
> > portray/imply
> > >> here. That we are a bunch of disconnected links?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks!
> > >> Navina
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Ignacio Solis <isolis@igso.net>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Vote directly at design crowd.  But feel free to leave comments
> here,
> > >> > maybe you can try to persuade people or argue for your favorite. :-)
> > >> >
> > >> > Nacho
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Navina Ramesh
> > >> > <nramesh@linkedin.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >> > > Hi Nacho,
> > >> > > Do you want us to vote on this mail thread or directly at design
> > crowd?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks!
> > >> > > Navina
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ignacio Solis <isolis@igso.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Hi folks.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> After some feedback and culling, we are down to 4 candidates.
> > Please
> > >> > >> vote on your favorite designs. We will be able to make minor
> > >> > >> modifications to the selected logo as we talk to the designer.
> We
> > can
> > >> > >> always have changes in colors or fonts.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> http://www.designcrowd.com/vote/apachesamzalogo
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> This poll will stay open for about a week to collect all
votes
> and
> > >> > >> comments.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> For completeness, the relevant JIRA is this:
> > >> > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SAMZA-1111
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Cheers,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Nacho
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> --
> > >> > >> Nacho - Ignacio Solis - isolis@igso.net
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Navina R.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Nacho - Ignacio Solis - isolis@igso.net
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Navina R.
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Nacho - Ignacio Solis - isolis@igso.net
> >
>



-- 
Jagadish V,
Graduate Student,
Department of Computer Science,
Stanford University

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