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From Jagadish Venkatraman <jagadish1...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Samza Logo
Date Tue, 18 Apr 2017 19:00:00 GMT
Oh, I already voted last week. I liked the orbital loop one the best:-)

The dots appear to signify processor nodes, and the streams connect them.
Also, it has a nice "S" like pattern aligning with Samza. Also, I did not
like the "color blind" dots as much as the orbital loop :D

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Navina Ramesh <
nramesh@linkedin.com.invalid> wrote:

> @Renato:
> Thanks for your feedback. Always appreciate help from our contributors :)
>
> @Jagadish:
> Thanks for stating your points. It is clear that you are against the
> butterfly ones. But are you in support of any of the others? Please vote :)
>
> Thanks!
> Navina
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Jagadish Venkatraman <
> jagadish1989@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > FWIW, I have a contrarian perspective on this one. Here's my 2 cents:
> >
> > I'm -1 for having for our logo to do anything with a butterfly.
> >
> > - Samza and Kafka are separate top-level projects. I do not think the
> > connection to Franz Kafka's novel on "metamorphosis", and the fact that a
> > salesman named "Samsa" in the novel was transformed to an "insect" should
> > dictate our logo.  Agreed, the butterfly is a cute insect remotely
> > relatable(?) to stream processing via a convoluted story.
> >
> > - For a choice of a mascot, I'd much rather have something that signifies
> > scale, sturdiness or swiftness instead of a cute butterfly :-)
> >
> > - The 2 other non-butterfly logos at-least have a "node", "stream",
> > "edges", "graph" like feel which I like.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jagadish
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Jacob Maes <jacob.maes@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I think I voted the exact opposite to everyone else in this thread.
> > >
> > > I don't want anything to do with a butterfly. The metaphor is even
> > further
> > > removed from the Samsa story than a cockroach, so I think we should
> give
> > up
> > > on that. I don't want a mascot; we're not building a university
> football
> > > team. And as animals go, the only slower one I can think of is a sloth,
> > so
> > > I don't feel a butterfly says "scalable stream processing". This,
> > combined
> > > with my preference to eschew the color red for logos, puts the red
> > > butterfly last.
> > >
> > > The blue butterfly is a little more abstract and formal looking, but
> > still
> > > a butterfly, so that is second to last.
> > >
> > > The other 2 are very close, in my opinion.
> > >
> > > The one with the circles is reminiscent of orbital loops, which gives
> me
> > > the feeling of scale. It also has the dots at varying places along the
> > > lines, which to me conveys the different proportions of input/output
> > stream
> > > sizes/TTLs. And the cyclical shape could also be used for animations
> > > portraying the concept of "reprocessing"
> > >
> > > The one with the "S" dots reminds me of the Kafka logo without the
> lines.
> > > If the lines are the streams and the dots are processing nodes, then I
> > > think it's clever for the Samza logo to be a "negative" of the Kafka
> one.
> > > That's not to say samza is any more related to Kafka than it is; but if
> > the
> > > Kafka logo says "streams" then to me this Samza logo says "processors"
> > >
> > > My 2 cents.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Ignacio Solis <isolis@igso.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > You're making me feel bad for linking that one! :-)
> > > >
> > > > I don't see it as a maze. To me, that one is like circles that turn,
> > > > representing the processing. Like cogs on an engine. The little
> > > > circles are like the messages. The concentric circles are like the
> > > > streams.
> > > >
> > > > The red butterfly is my second favorite.
> > > >
> > > > Vote note:
> > > >
> > > > Once we close voting we'll look at the actual results.  The way the
> > > > ranking gets calculated it you don't vote for a design at all, that
> > > > vote does not get factored in. It assumes you have no opinion. So if
> > > > somebody votes 5 stars on A and 1 start on B.  And second person only
> > > > votes 5 stars on B, then the ranking would be  A-5 stars, B-3 stars.
> > > > (or something along those lines).   So if you only vote on the 5 star
> > > > ones, you're missing your vote on the ones you don't like.
> > > >
> > > > So, once we close, we'll see how people voted.
> > > >
> > > > Nacho
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Yi Pan <nickpan47@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Really? The one with the maze on the left currently is top one? I
> > can't
> > > > > relate to that either. My favorite was the logo w/ Taiji symbol.
> > Since
> > > > that
> > > > > did not make the top 4, I am voting for the red bufferfly one, same
> > as
> > > > > Navina.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Yi
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Navina Ramesh
> > > > <nramesh@linkedin.com.invalid
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I prefer to have open discussions in the official mailing list
or
> > JIRA
> > > > >> since it is an open-community. It also helps track the
> discussions.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Fwiw, I am in favor of the red themed butterfly design because:
> > > > >> 1. Knowing the origin of the name "Samza" (from Gregor Samsa
> > character
> > > > in
> > > > >> "Metamorphosis"), it isn't very far-fetched in terms of relating
> > > stream
> > > > >> processing to some kind of transformation. Butterfly is probably
> the
> > > > >> prettiest insect to associate with "metamorphosis", without giving
> > the
> > > > >> impression of a bug :)
> > > > >> 2. Red theme ties it with the current logo, although we can
> > improvise
> > > on
> > > > >> the gradients.
> > > > >> 3. We can have a "mascot" , instead of an abstract symbol.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> One comment on the butterfly one - it seems to have only 1
> antenna.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -1 for the dots only logo. It feels like a color-blindness test
:D
> > > > >> -1 for the blue-based logo - it is just not relatable and it's
an
> > > > extreme
> > > > >> change from the current one.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I couldn't relate to the circular one. What are are trying to
> > > > portray/imply
> > > > >> here. That we are a bunch of disconnected links?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks!
> > > > >> Navina
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Ignacio Solis <isolis@igso.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Vote directly at design crowd.  But feel free to leave comments
> > > here,
> > > > >> > maybe you can try to persuade people or argue for your favorite.
> > :-)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Nacho
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Navina Ramesh
> > > > >> > <nramesh@linkedin.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >> > > Hi Nacho,
> > > > >> > > Do you want us to vote on this mail thread or directly
at
> design
> > > > crowd?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Thanks!
> > > > >> > > Navina
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ignacio Solis <
> isolis@igso.net
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> Hi folks.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> After some feedback and culling, we are down to
4 candidates.
> > > > Please
> > > > >> > >> vote on your favorite designs. We will be able
to make minor
> > > > >> > >> modifications to the selected logo as we talk to
the
> designer.
> > > We
> > > > can
> > > > >> > >> always have changes in colors or fonts.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> http://www.designcrowd.com/vote/apachesamzalogo
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> This poll will stay open for about a week to collect
all
> votes
> > > and
> > > > >> > >> comments.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> For completeness, the relevant JIRA is this:
> > > > >> > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SAMZA-1111
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> Cheers,
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> Nacho
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> --
> > > > >> > >> Nacho - Ignacio Solis - isolis@igso.net
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > --
> > > > >> > > Navina R.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > Nacho - Ignacio Solis - isolis@igso.net
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Navina R.
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Nacho - Ignacio Solis - isolis@igso.net
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jagadish V,
> > Graduate Student,
> > Department of Computer Science,
> > Stanford University
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Navina R.
>



-- 
Jagadish V,
Graduate Student,
Department of Computer Science,
Stanford University

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