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From Jeremiah Adams <JAd...@helixeducation.com>
Subject Re: Java 11, Oracle Java and OpenJDK Release Cadence
Date Tue, 25 Sep 2018 18:19:36 GMT
Yes it does. Thanks Yi.




Jeremiah Adams
Software Engineer
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From: Yi Pan <nickpan47@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:09 AM
To: dev@samza.apache.org
Subject: Re: Java 11, Oracle Java and OpenJDK Release Cadence

Hey, Jeremiah,

Sorry to reply late. The team is pretty busy for Samza 1.0 preparation
these days.

Regarding to Java 11 and the steps forward:
1. I don't have objection to adopt OpenJDK, as long as Samza code and
compile and run on it. It might be an interesting issue since Samza also
depends on other open source projects (like ZooKeeper and Kafka) which may
not be test w/ OpenJDK yet.
2. It would be great if you can have some test build/run of Samza with Java
11 (I assume with OpenJDK?) and report the results back to the community
3. We can start a formal poll and vote when we know what it takes to adopt
OpenJDK

Does that sound good to you? Thanks!

-Yi

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 6:16 AM Jeremiah Adams <JAdams@helixeducation.com>
wrote:

> Has anyone had a chance to digest this information regarding Java11 and
> OpenJDK release cadences?
>
> What would be next steps to drive adoption of the OpenJDK release cadence
> (never participated in an apache proj) ?
>
>
> Jeremiah Adams
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> ________________________________________
> From: Jeremiah Adams <JAdams@helixeducation.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 11:06 AM
> To: dev@samza.apache.org
> Subject: [POSSIBLE PHISHING] Java 11, Oracle Java and OpenJDK Release
> Cadence
>
> Java 11 is out on Sept., 25 and  makes Java 8, 9 and 10 obsolete. Java 8,
> 9, and 10 will no longer receive security patches/updates beginning in
> January 2019. Organizations have the option to pay Oracle for patches in
> order to stay on Java 8.
>
>
> Oracle is changing its release cycle and licensing for Java SE (which is
> no more as off 11).  Java SE is rebranded to Oracle java and is an LTS
> release requiring paid licenses per processor running java 11. Fee is $25
> per processor. LTS means fewer upgrades, but does receive security patches.
>
>
> Oracle will continue to contribute to OpenJDK. However, the OpenJDK
> releases will come every six month and are called "Major" releases. Each
> release making the previous obsolete with zero security patches/updates
> applied to previous versions.
>
>
> All of this sounds really bad, however, the "major" versions that will
> come from OpenJDK are more akin to going from 8->8u20->8u40 than from Java
> 7 to Java 8. So the biggest hurdle is simply aligning project releases with
> OpenJDK release cadences. This implies building to release candidates prior
> to bi-annual JDK release testing and releasing.
>
>
> If your organization doesn't want  to pay for Oracle Java your org will
> have to upgrade Java versions every six months. While we can easily manage
> our own code base, dependencies such as Samza are key to our business and
> difficult to control.
>
>
> Below are links related to this topic I found while doing research. If
> anyone can comes to different conclusions please share.
>
>
> I do have testing Samza on Java 11 in our backlog. I will likely get to
> this in our next sprint.
>
>
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