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From "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: A wiki for Spark (on Apache infra)
Date Sat, 29 Jun 2013 02:37:05 GMT
Hey Andy,

Ahh, ok that sucks. Can you send a mail to infrastructure@apache.org
with the Message-IDs and they can investigate? Feel free to copy me
(though I am already subscribed to the list).

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Konwinski <andykonwinski@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 6:56 PM
To: jpluser <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: "spark-developers@googlegroups.com"
<spark-developers@googlegroups.com>, "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org"
<dev@spark.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: A wiki for Spark (on Apache infra)

>Hey Chris, this isn't a particular setting such as the list not accepting
>mail from other domain names (that was the case for commits@spark.i.a.o
>but doesn't seem to be the case for the dev list). In this case, it seems
>that the spam filter (I
> think it must be Spam Assasin) is marking my email with too low of a
>spam score to not get counted as spam.
>
>
>On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
><chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>Sorry dude, that sucks. I'll try and open the mailing list to other emails
>as well. Can you create a Spark ticket in the ASF
>INFRA ticket [1] project so we don't forget?
>
>Cheers,
>Chris
>
>[1] http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>Senior Computer Scientist
>NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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>Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Konwinski <andykonwinski@gmail.com>
>
>Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:38 PM
>To: jpluser <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
>Cc: "spark-developers@googlegroups.com"
><spark-developers@googlegroups.com>, "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org"
><dev@spark.incubator.apache.org>
>
>Subject: Re: A wiki for Spark (on Apache infra)
>
>
>>There is also the frustrating fact that the Apache email spam filter (for
>>the dev list) is bouncing emails from my gmail address since it thinks
>>I'm sending spam...
>>
>>
>>Sigh.
>>
>>On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Mail Delivery Subsystem
>><mailer-daemon@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>>
>>     dev@spark.incubator.apache.org
>>
>>Technical details of permanent failure:
>>
>>Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server
>>for the recipient domain
>spark.incubator.apache.org <http://spark.incubator.apache.org>
>
>><http://spark.incubator.apache.org/> by
>mx1.us.apache.org <http://mx1.us.apache.org>
>><http://mx1.us.apache.org/>.
>> [140.211.11.136].
>>
>>The error that the other server returned was:
>>552 spam score (5.0) exceeded threshold
>>(HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLACK
>>
>>
>>----- Original message -----
>>
>>DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
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>>MIME-Version: 1.0
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>>ru2mr7448534lbb.7.1372451727361;
>> Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:35:27 -0700 (PDT)
>>Received: by 10.112.75.6 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:35:27 -0700 (PDT)
>>In-Reply-To: <CDF3356D.EBFB7%chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
>><mailto:CDF3356D.EBFB7%25chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
>
>><mailto:CDF3356D.EBFB7%25chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
>><mailto:CDF3356D.EBFB7%2525chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>>>
>>References:
>><CALEZFQxH2ffS-LpbMkk-anJVuW-6G-pZQpvJ+PPyXe7aXp+bCQ@mail.gmail.com
>><mailto:CALEZFQxH2ffS-LpbMkk-anJVuW-6G-pZQpvJ%2BPPyXe7aXp%2BbCQ@mail.gmai
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>>gmail>
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>>        <CDF3356D.EBFB7%chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
>><mailto:CDF3356D.EBFB7%25chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
>><mailto:CDF3356D.EBFB7%25chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
>><mailto:CDF3356D.EBFB7%2525chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>>>
>>Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:35:27 -0700
>>Message-ID:
>><CALEZFQwuQA3OhVwOpDp2aqqo1e796Z1ZagOSzSANXVHasmj=pg@mail.gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: A wiki for Spark (on Apache infra)
>>
>>From: Andy Konwinski <andykonwinski@gmail.com>
>>To: "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
>>Cc: "spark-developers@googlegroups.com"
>><spark-developers@googlegroups.com>,
>>        "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <dev@spark.incubator.apache.org>
>>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>boundary=001a11c37aaaae4e2104e03cd142
>>
>>Thanks for responding Chris! Responses inline.
>>
>>On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <
>>chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andy,
>>>
>>> The mailing lists especially need to be at the ASF. Basically this is
>>> because the business needs to be conducted here since if it didn't
>>>happen
>>> on the ML, it didn't happen. Also MLs help to show the health/activity
>>> of the community and if it's not here at the ASF it's not an ASF
>>>project.
>>>
>>> There are some precedents e.g., with things like Maven for them to use
>>> other JIRAs, etc., but I really don't like the idea there and it caused
>>> a lot of ill will etc.
>>>
>>> Any particular reason you were wondering? Mainly b/c of the overhead or
>>> my lack of replies recently? Sorry about that if it was I was
>>>underwater
>>> in DC working on a DARPA project, but am back in business now and
>>> will try and get some of this stuff moving along. Sorry again.
>>>
>>
>>I asked for a couple of reasons actually. One of the reasons, and why I
>>asked on this thread which is supposed to be about our wiki, is because
>>one
>>of our active developers, Evan Chan, asked in this thread if we have to
>>move at all, in his words:
>>
>>>No matter what, is there any way we could keep the google groups for an
>>>Apache project?   I think my least favorite feature of most Apache
>>>projects is the mailing list.....  really hard to subscribe, post,
>>>search, reply, etc.
>>
>>
>>I actually agree that google groups provides a much easier to use
>>interface
>>for mailing lists than Apache's mailing list software. However, from what
>>I
>>know about Apache, I think that keeping our lists on non ASF infra is a
>>battle we probably won't win (without accruing a lot of ill will, as you
>>point out).
>>
>>I have a few other thoughts on this topic. However, to keep email subject
>>and contents aligned, let's continue this conversation on the email
>>thread
>>you created with the subject "Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache
>>Spark
>>podling: Created!)" instead of here :)
>>
>>Andy
>>
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Andy Konwinski
>><andykonwinski@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks for responding Chris! Responses inline.
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
>><chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Andy,
>>
>>The mailing lists especially need to be at the ASF. Basically this is
>>because the business needs to be conducted here since if it didn't happen
>>on the ML, it didn't happen. Also MLs help to show the health/activity
>>of the community and if it's not here at the ASF it's not an ASF project.
>>
>>There are some precedents e.g., with things like Maven for them to use
>>other JIRAs, etc., but I really don't like the idea there and it caused
>>a lot of ill will etc.
>>
>>Any particular reason you were wondering? Mainly b/c of the overhead or
>>my lack of replies recently? Sorry about that if it was I was underwater
>>in DC working on a DARPA project, but am back in business now and
>>will try and get some of this stuff moving along. Sorry again.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I asked for a couple of reasons actually. One of the reasons, and why I
>>asked on this thread which is supposed to be about our wiki, is because
>>one of our active developers, Evan Chan, asked in this thread if we have
>>to move at all, in his words:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>No matter what, is there any way we could keep the google groups for an
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Apache project?   I think my least favorite feature of most Apache
>>
>>
>>>projects is the mailing list.....  really hard to subscribe, post,
>>
>>
>>>search, reply, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I actually agree that google groups provides a much easier to use
>>interface for mailing lists than Apache's mailing list software. However,
>>from what I know about Apache, I think that keeping our lists on non ASF
>>infra is a battle we
>> probably won't win (without accruing a lot of ill will, as you point
>>out).
>>
>>
>>I have a few other thoughts on this topic. However, to keep email subject
>>and contents aligned, let's continue this conversation on the email
>>thread you created with the subject "Mailing list transition (was Re:
>>Apache Spark podling:
>> Created!)" instead of here :)
>>
>>
>>Andy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Chris
>>
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>Senior Computer Scientist
>>NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>>Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>>University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Andy Konwinski <andykonwinski@gmail.com>
>>
>>Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:32 PM
>>To: "spark-developers@googlegroups.com"
>><spark-developers@googlegroups.com>
>>Cc: "dev@spark.apache.incubator.org" <dev@spark.apache.incubator.org>,
>>jpluser <mattmann@apache.org>
>>Subject: Re: A wiki for Spark (on Apache infra)
>>
>>
>>>Chris M., is there any precedent for a project not moving mailing lists
>>>to Apache infra? Are there rules about it?
>>>Andy
>>>On Jun 25, 2013 1:31 PM, "Evan Chan" <ev@ooyala.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I think a wiki that has plugins for diagrams would be pretty kickass and
>>>valuable for documentation.  See:
>>>http://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/drawing-diagrams-on-a-wiki-pag
>>>e
>>>/
>>>
>>>
>>>No matter what, is there any way we could keep the google groups for an
>>>Apache project?   I think my least favorite feature of most Apache
>>>projects is the mailing list.....  really hard to subscribe, post,
>>>search, reply, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:39:52 AM UTC-7, Andy Konwinski wrote:
>>>
>>>As part of the migration process to Apache, I think we should request a
>>>wiki for the Spark project (and after that we should set up and
>>>advertise
>>>a long overdue PoweredBy page for Spark on that wiki). My personal
>>>preference is for a Confluence wiki but
>>> I believe we can alternately ask for a MoinMoin wiki.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Do others have thoughts about (1) asking for a wiki, (2) which type we
>>>request, or (3) anything else related to this?
>>>
>>>
>>>Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
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>>>email to
>>>
>>>spark-developers+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
>>><mailto:spark-developers%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
>>><mailto:spark-developers%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com
>>><mailto:spark-developers%252Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com>>
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>>><mailto:spark-developers%25252Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com>>>.
>>>For more options, visit
>>>https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out
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>>><https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out>.
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