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From Austin Leahy <Aus...@digitalminion.com>
Subject Re: Inappropriate web site
Date Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:02:34 GMT
we need a couple of members to go into files and do an actual review of the
changes on the PR for a real merge

https://github.com/apache/incubator-spot/pull/40/files


On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:59 AM Michael Ridley <mridley@cloudera.com> wrote:

> +1 (non-binding)
>
> Michael Ridley
> Senior Solutions Architect
> Cloudera
>
> Sent from my mobile.
> Pardon any spelling errors.
>
> > On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:02 PM, Austin Leahy <Austin@digitalminion.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Please validate and approve PR 40
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-spot/pull/40
> >
> > Contains one additional change not previously mentioned on line 159
> >
> > the recommended deployment of CDH
> > the community validated deployment of CDH
> >
> > thanks to @tdunning for bringing this up, as I read into the statements I
> > believe that he is correct about the tacit endorsement. Particularly in
> the
> > case of 159 where the sentence can easily be misread this way.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Austin
> >
> >> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 7:21 PM Alan Ross <alan@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> +1 good catch guys.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:59 PM, solrac901@apache.org <
> >> solrac901@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>> El 27/04/2017 8:35 p. m., "Austin Leahy" <leahy@apache.org> escribió:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks Jon!
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree and think you have articulated the complexities of the problem
> >>> very
> >>>> well.
> >>>> For the record here is the exact phrase:
> >>>>
> >>>> *"This installation guide assumes that a cluster with HDFS is running
> >>>> CDH."*
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that we could probably tweak this slightly and get where we
> >> need
> >>> to
> >>>> be.
> >>>>
> >>>> If I can get some +1's I will make a change and submit a PR to the
> >>> asf-site
> >>>> branch that modifies this to read:
> >>>>
> >>>> *"This version of the installation guide has been validated for
> >> clusters
> >>>> with HDFS running CDH."*
> >>>>
> >>>> A
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:05 PM Jon Zeolla <JonZeolla@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Just for clarity, because it took a minute or two of clicking
> >> around, I
> >>>>> think this <http://spot.incubator.apache.org/doc/#cdh> is
what is
> >>> being
> >>>>> discussed here.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As a member of the both the Spot and Metron communities, I can say
> >> that
> >>>>> simplifying or automating deployment and configuration of either
of
> >>> these
> >>>>> two projects is an extremely heavy lift.  At the same time, doing
so
> >> is
> >>>>> essential to reducing the barrier to entry for new users and
> >> increasing
> >>>>> adoption.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Minimizing the variability of the platform that either of these
> >>> projects
> >>>>> run on top of is critical to actually getting them off the ground,
> >>> which
> >>>> is
> >>>>> why it appears they have both chosen a single platform to leverage
> >> and
> >>>>> haven't yet grown from there.  I could very easily see a point in
the
> >>>>> future where either project has expanded beyond a single platform,
> >> and
> >>> I
> >>>>> have in fact discussed this idea numerous times in the past.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That said, I think the concern here is more focused on the perception
> >>> of
> >>>>> commercial endorsements, not specifically using a branded but open
> >>>>> distribution of Apache software.  On that topic, I know very little
> >>> about
> >>>>> the right way to approach documenting the fact that a certain
> >> platform
> >>> is
> >>>>> assumed without appearing to be an endorsement.  I would be
> >> interested
> >>> to
> >>>>> receive any guidance that the ASF can provide.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jon
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:20 PM Jonathan Natkins <
> >> natty@streamsets.com
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It might be worth noting that the Apache Metron page is somewhat
> >>> guilty
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>> this, as well. In their quickstart guide, they advertise a
> >> VirtualBox
> >>>> VM
> >>>>>> loaded with HDP: http://metron.apache.org/documentation/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Their installation documentation also seems to indicate that
they
> >>> only
> >>>>> work
> >>>>>> with HDP 2.4:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/METRON/
> >>>> Metron+Installation+on+an+Ambari-Managed+Cluster
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If there's action to be taken with the Spot website, it may
be
> >>>> worthwhile
> >>>>>> to point the same thing out to the Metron community.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jonathan "Natty" Natkins
> >>>>>> StreamSets | Field Engineering Director
> >>>>>> mobile: 609.577.1600 <(609)%20577-1600> <(609)%20577-1600>
> <(609)%20577-1600>
> >> <(609)%20577-1600> |
> >>> linkedin <
> >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/nattyice>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Austin Leahy <
> >>>> Austin@digitalminion.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think your point is fair.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But I think that its also important to understand that as
a
> >>> community
> >>>>>>> driven project installation on CDH is currently the only
install
> >>> path
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> has been validated.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Until community members begin to test and install parts
of the
> >>>> platform
> >>>>>>> elsewhere it is important that they understand that the
docs are
> >>>>>> explained
> >>>>>>> from a particular context. As someone who has installed
several
> >>>>> different
> >>>>>>> versions of hadoop including CDH I would say that there
are often
> >>>>>>> surprising side effects based on who's "best practice install"
> >> you
> >>>> have
> >>>>>>> followed for your cluster.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My meta question would be; is there a foundation requirement
that
> >>>> would
> >>>>>>> lead us to prioritize basic setup and configuration specifically
> >> on
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>> apache sources? This would probably derail several of the
current
> >>>>>> "install
> >>>>>>> & config" initiatives.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:47 PM Ted Dunning <tdunning@apache.org
> >>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (To avoid confusion, please note that I am speaking
as just me
> >>>> here,
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> director, nor as VP Incubator)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On the Spot incubating web site, there is a nav element
on the
> >>> left
> >>>>>>> labeled
> >>>>>>>> "CDH Requirements". That doesn't seem to me to be appropriate
> >>>> because
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> looks like a commercial endorsement.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Anybody have any thoughts on this?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jon
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>

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