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From Alan Ross <a...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Inappropriate web site
Date Fri, 28 Apr 2017 03:48:24 GMT
LGTM Austin.

On Apr 27, 2017 8:02 PM, "Austin Leahy" <Austin@digitalminion.com> wrote:

> Please validate and approve PR 40
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-spot/pull/40
>
> Contains one additional change not previously mentioned on line 159
>
> the recommended deployment of CDH
> the community validated deployment of CDH
>
> thanks to @tdunning for bringing this up, as I read into the statements I
> believe that he is correct about the tacit endorsement. Particularly in the
> case of 159 where the sentence can easily be misread this way.
>
> Thanks
>
> Austin
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 7:21 PM Alan Ross <alan@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1 good catch guys.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:59 PM, solrac901@apache.org <
> > solrac901@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > El 27/04/2017 8:35 p. m., "Austin Leahy" <leahy@apache.org> escribió:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Jon!
> > > >
> > > > I agree and think you have articulated the complexities of the
> problem
> > > very
> > > > well.
> > > > For the record here is the exact phrase:
> > > >
> > > > *"This installation guide assumes that a cluster with HDFS is running
> > > > CDH."*
> > > >
> > > > I think that we could probably tweak this slightly and get where we
> > need
> > > to
> > > > be.
> > > >
> > > > If I can get some +1's I will make a change and submit a PR to the
> > > asf-site
> > > > branch that modifies this to read:
> > > >
> > > > *"This version of the installation guide has been validated for
> > clusters
> > > > with HDFS running CDH."*
> > > >
> > > > A
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:05 PM Jon Zeolla <JonZeolla@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Just for clarity, because it took a minute or two of clicking
> > around, I
> > > > > think this <http://spot.incubator.apache.org/doc/#cdh> is what
is
> > > being
> > > > > discussed here.
> > > > >
> > > > > As a member of the both the Spot and Metron communities, I can say
> > that
> > > > > simplifying or automating deployment and configuration of either
of
> > > these
> > > > > two projects is an extremely heavy lift.  At the same time, doing
> so
> > is
> > > > > essential to reducing the barrier to entry for new users and
> > increasing
> > > > > adoption.
> > > > >
> > > > > Minimizing the variability of the platform that either of these
> > > projects
> > > > > run on top of is critical to actually getting them off the ground,
> > > which
> > > > is
> > > > > why it appears they have both chosen a single platform to leverage
> > and
> > > > > haven't yet grown from there.  I could very easily see a point in
> the
> > > > > future where either project has expanded beyond a single platform,
> > and
> > > I
> > > > > have in fact discussed this idea numerous times in the past.
> > > > >
> > > > > That said, I think the concern here is more focused on the
> perception
> > > of
> > > > > commercial endorsements, not specifically using a branded but open
> > > > > distribution of Apache software.  On that topic, I know very little
> > > about
> > > > > the right way to approach documenting the fact that a certain
> > platform
> > > is
> > > > > assumed without appearing to be an endorsement.  I would be
> > interested
> > > to
> > > > > receive any guidance that the ASF can provide.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:20 PM Jonathan Natkins <
> > natty@streamsets.com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It might be worth noting that the Apache Metron page is somewhat
> > > guilty
> > > > > of
> > > > > > this, as well. In their quickstart guide, they advertise a
> > VirtualBox
> > > > VM
> > > > > > loaded with HDP: http://metron.apache.org/documentation/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Their installation documentation also seems to indicate that
they
> > > only
> > > > > work
> > > > > > with HDP 2.4:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/METRON/
> > > > Metron+Installation+on+an+Ambari-Managed+Cluster
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If there's action to be taken with the Spot website, it may
be
> > > > worthwhile
> > > > > > to point the same thing out to the Metron community.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jonathan "Natty" Natkins
> > > > > > StreamSets | Field Engineering Director
> > > > > > mobile: 609.577.1600 <(609)%20577-1600> <(609)%20577-1600>
> > <(609)%20577-1600> |
> > > linkedin <
> > > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nattyice>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Austin Leahy <
> > > > Austin@digitalminion.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think your point is fair.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But I think that its also important to understand that
as a
> > > community
> > > > > > > driven project installation on CDH is currently the only
> install
> > > path
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > has been validated.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Until community members begin to test and install parts
of the
> > > > platform
> > > > > > > elsewhere it is important that they understand that the
docs
> are
> > > > > > explained
> > > > > > > from a particular context. As someone who has installed
several
> > > > > different
> > > > > > > versions of hadoop including CDH I would say that there
are
> often
> > > > > > > surprising side effects based on who's "best practice install"
> > you
> > > > have
> > > > > > > followed for your cluster.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My meta question would be; is there a foundation requirement
> that
> > > > would
> > > > > > > lead us to prioritize basic setup and configuration
> specifically
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > apache sources? This would probably derail several of the
> current
> > > > > > "install
> > > > > > > & config" initiatives.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:47 PM Ted Dunning <
> tdunning@apache.org
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (To avoid confusion, please note that I am speaking
as just
> me
> > > > here,
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > director, nor as VP Incubator)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On the Spot incubating web site, there is a nav element
on
> the
> > > left
> > > > > > > labeled
> > > > > > > > "CDH Requirements". That doesn't seem to me to be
appropriate
> > > > because
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > looks like a commercial endorsement.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anybody have any thoughts on this?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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