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From Alan Ross <a...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Inappropriate web site
Date Fri, 28 Apr 2017 02:21:37 GMT
+1 good catch guys.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:59 PM, solrac901@apache.org <solrac901@apache.org>
wrote:

> +1
>
> El 27/04/2017 8:35 p. m., "Austin Leahy" <leahy@apache.org> escribió:
>
> > Thanks Jon!
> >
> > I agree and think you have articulated the complexities of the problem
> very
> > well.
> > For the record here is the exact phrase:
> >
> > *"This installation guide assumes that a cluster with HDFS is running
> > CDH."*
> >
> > I think that we could probably tweak this slightly and get where we need
> to
> > be.
> >
> > If I can get some +1's I will make a change and submit a PR to the
> asf-site
> > branch that modifies this to read:
> >
> > *"This version of the installation guide has been validated for clusters
> > with HDFS running CDH."*
> >
> > A
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:05 PM Jon Zeolla <JonZeolla@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Just for clarity, because it took a minute or two of clicking around, I
> > > think this <http://spot.incubator.apache.org/doc/#cdh> is what is
> being
> > > discussed here.
> > >
> > > As a member of the both the Spot and Metron communities, I can say that
> > > simplifying or automating deployment and configuration of either of
> these
> > > two projects is an extremely heavy lift.  At the same time, doing so is
> > > essential to reducing the barrier to entry for new users and increasing
> > > adoption.
> > >
> > > Minimizing the variability of the platform that either of these
> projects
> > > run on top of is critical to actually getting them off the ground,
> which
> > is
> > > why it appears they have both chosen a single platform to leverage and
> > > haven't yet grown from there.  I could very easily see a point in the
> > > future where either project has expanded beyond a single platform, and
> I
> > > have in fact discussed this idea numerous times in the past.
> > >
> > > That said, I think the concern here is more focused on the perception
> of
> > > commercial endorsements, not specifically using a branded but open
> > > distribution of Apache software.  On that topic, I know very little
> about
> > > the right way to approach documenting the fact that a certain platform
> is
> > > assumed without appearing to be an endorsement.  I would be interested
> to
> > > receive any guidance that the ASF can provide.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:20 PM Jonathan Natkins <natty@streamsets.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It might be worth noting that the Apache Metron page is somewhat
> guilty
> > > of
> > > > this, as well. In their quickstart guide, they advertise a VirtualBox
> > VM
> > > > loaded with HDP: http://metron.apache.org/documentation/
> > > >
> > > > Their installation documentation also seems to indicate that they
> only
> > > work
> > > > with HDP 2.4:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/METRON/
> > Metron+Installation+on+an+Ambari-Managed+Cluster
> > > >
> > > > If there's action to be taken with the Spot website, it may be
> > worthwhile
> > > > to point the same thing out to the Metron community.
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan "Natty" Natkins
> > > > StreamSets | Field Engineering Director
> > > > mobile: 609.577.1600 <(609)%20577-1600> <(609)%20577-1600>
|
> linkedin <
> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nattyice>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Austin Leahy <
> > Austin@digitalminion.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think your point is fair.
> > > > >
> > > > > But I think that its also important to understand that as a
> community
> > > > > driven project installation on CDH is currently the only install
> path
> > > > that
> > > > > has been validated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Until community members begin to test and install parts of the
> > platform
> > > > > elsewhere it is important that they understand that the docs are
> > > > explained
> > > > > from a particular context. As someone who has installed several
> > > different
> > > > > versions of hadoop including CDH I would say that there are often
> > > > > surprising side effects based on who's "best practice install" you
> > have
> > > > > followed for your cluster.
> > > > >
> > > > > My meta question would be; is there a foundation requirement that
> > would
> > > > > lead us to prioritize basic setup and configuration specifically
on
> > the
> > > > > apache sources? This would probably derail several of the current
> > > > "install
> > > > > & config" initiatives.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:47 PM Ted Dunning <tdunning@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > (To avoid confusion, please note that I am speaking as just
me
> > here,
> > > > not
> > > > > a
> > > > > > director, nor as VP Incubator)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the Spot incubating web site, there is a nav element on the
> left
> > > > > labeled
> > > > > > "CDH Requirements". That doesn't seem to me to be appropriate
> > because
> > > > is
> > > > > > looks like a commercial endorsement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anybody have any thoughts on this?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> >
>

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