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From "Bob Williams" <rj...@compuserve.com>
Subject Re: help: <%>.. how do i convince them to learn JSP?
Date Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:05:15 GMT
I have no problem being convinced that tags should be used for generating
complex items on a web page.  The one concern I do have, relative to using
tags, is the extra processing required to generate simple things.  I have
seen pages in industrial environments where the page may have 50-100
elements displayed (and no this is not a problem with the design this is a
real application requirement!).  Using a tag to generate labels and text
input boxes seems like it would add a significant compute load on a server
that is servicing 100's of people.  The same situation applies when you are
dealing with pages with fewer elements, but are being served up to 1000's or
10,000's of users.

Does anyone have experience about computing resources required by tags in
these types of scenarios?

bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah Farrell" <sfarrell24@mindspring.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: help: <%>.. how do i convince them to learn JSP?


>
> Michael,
>
> Here's the best one I could find.
>
http://java.sun.com/blueprints/guidelines/designing_enterprise_applications/
> web_tier/qanda/index.html
>
> There are some other ones on java.sun.com if you search for "JSP
presentation
> logic separate".
>
> Here's another one:
> http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/
>
>
>
> P.S. Please don't cross-post to multiple jakarta lists.
>
>
>
> At 07:34 PM 2/11/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >long before server pages or servlets existed i was
> >writing these C++ template based systems with CGI
> >so i could do my best to separate content generation from programming
> >logic...
> >
> >i'm a consultant and this company made me lead on my first JSP/Servlet
based
> >project,
> >i was really excited to get involved with JSP tag libraries.
> >
> >but when i got into the code base IT'S ALL .jsp files with
> >TONS of Java scriptlets!  it's nasty.  if/else blocks several hundred
lines
> >long.
> >the developer i took this over from
> >thinks there is no reason to do it any other way.  tags?  why use tags?
> >
> >i am asking for input/references on why you want to keep the scriptlets
<%>
> ></%>
> >out of the JSP files.  every time i try to make a point-- maybe
> >i'm just not being eloquent enough...
> >
> >on another note: is it really model 2 if a JSP is processing the request?
> >i don't think it is, even if your entire JSP is just some java code
> >wrapped with a scriptlet tag..  (yuk).
> >
> >thanks for input.
> >--Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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