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From "Daniel J. D'Cotta" <daniel.jos...@gridnode.com>
Subject RE: keeping the old debate open...
Date Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:12:30 GMT
23 bugs... ooo, sounds close to beta 2 =)

Just a big thank you to all those who are solving bugs.


Regards,
Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: wbchmura@Ensign-BickfordInd.com
[mailto:wbchmura@Ensign-BickfordInd.com]
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:37 AM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: RE: keeping the old debate open...



Okay, if I do that and further refine it by:

All SEVERITY except enhancement
Versions 1.1b1, Nightly Build, Unknown

I am down to 23 bugs.  Is this an accurate representation of what has to
happen before the next beta release?   Are Enhancements planned to be
done before the next beta?

Saying there are 23 known bugs to be fixed sounds much better for the
project than including all the enhancement requests too!







-----Original Message-----
From: craigmcc [mailto:craigmcc@apache.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:09 PM
To: struts-user
Subject: RE: keeping the old debate open...




On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 wbchmura@Ensign-BickfordInd.com wrote:

> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:55:14 -0400
> From: wbchmura@Ensign-BickfordInd.com
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: RE: keeping the old debate open...
>
>
> I cant get more than 15 bugs to be displayed and half of those are
> enhancements...
> On the summary page I can see a bunch, but under a query forget it!
>

As you might imagine :-), I have a saved query on Bugzilla to select
Struts bug reports.  As of a few seconds ago, it finds 92 of them (many
enhancements, many bugs against 1.0.x, and a few outstanding against
1.1).

The search criteria I use:
- Status = UNCONFIRMED, NEW, ASSIGNED, REOPENED
- Program = Struts

For reference, our bug tracking system (for all Jakarta and
Xml.apache.org
projects) is at:

  http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/

Craig



>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin.Bedell [mailto:Kevin.Bedell@sunlife.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:18 AM
> To: struts-user
> Subject: Re: keeping the old debate open...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > just a question about how open-source projects are managed at
> > apache's : how do you know you run out of bugs to fix ? what's the
way
> the
> > projects are tested ? thanks, since my boss wonders about
open-source
> and
> > fears it a bit...
>
> One of fundamental advantages of Open Source is that finding bugs
> generally
> occurs much faster. Plus, as a user you have direct access to the bug
> tracking system (bugzilla, in this case at
> http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ ).
>
> There are currently 90 open bugs for Struts. How do I know this? I
just
> looked - it's on-line for everyone to see. If you find a bug, you can
> add
> one yourself and someone with appropriate rights in bugzilla will have
> to
> address it before it dissapears - it's an extremely 'open book'
approach
> that no vendor would dream of giving you. I've worked for software
> companies and we would NEVER have opened our bug lists - our
competitors
> would have printed them out and used them against us in sales calls.
>
> Eric Raymond, in his essay "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" says that
> ``Given
> enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow.'' And, "at least, that they
turn
> shallow pretty quickly when exposed to a thousand eager co-developers
> pounding on every single new release".
>
> This is why Linux is more stable than NT and Apache dominates the web
> server market - it's not because it's free, it's because it's BETTER
and
> FREER of BUGS. If I were your boss, I'd worry more about the quality
of
> commercial software than I would about open source.
>
>
> If your manager is concerned about using Open Source becuase of
software
> quality, then get them a copy of Eric's book: The Cathedral and the
> Bazaar
> - it's a very short and easy read.
>
>
> The Cathedral and the Bazaar is available at either:
>
>    on-line free:
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/
>
>       - or -
>
>   from Amazon:
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596001088/qid=1026397260/sr=8-1/ref=
sr_8_1/103-4271210-7048648
>
>
> The discussion about Open Source projects and debugging is at:
>
>
>
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/x147.h
tml
>
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
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