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From "John Owen" <johnlowen_b...@hotmail.com>
Subject Re: [OT][ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects
Date Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:41:53 GMT
Maybe I can generate some nostalgia as well :

My family got an Apple II+ when I was about 8. Immediately, I began toying
around with it to play games (sometimes educational) and eventually (around
age 9 or 10) I stumbled upon Nibble, Byte and Compute magazines. I would
badger my Dad to take me to the local library to get the latest issues. When
we went to big cities like Seattle, New York and Chicago, I would make sure
we went by the "big" libraries so that I could Xerox as many source listings
as humanly possible. I didn't have a hard drive (duh) and I would code in
BASIC under Apple's Pro-Dos. Some of the listings were in assembler and I
could never get my folks to buy me one. I figured out that I could drop into
a command-line assembler (lol, actually probably just an interface to
machine code) by crashing Pro-Dos during boot - then I could enter those
listings. I could never figure out how to save work as I went, so I had to
code them exactly right so that I could save them at the end or I would just
be wasting time. Many of the listings had errors or parts left to be
implemented later and I took those as challenges, since there was no
guarantee that I would see the next issue soon enough to be of use.

By age 11, I had learned Pascal and had become an expert at hex-editing
Apple II applications. ;) A few years later I got an Apple IIGS for
Christmas, I think. I dorked around with it until I got to college and
upgraded to a Mac IIsi (that's where you REALLY date yourself Mark ;) ). I
messed around with Pascal until I learned c later that year and eventually
migrated to c++, assembler. I picked up on Java about 3-4 years ago and only
over the last 2 years have I gotten to really work with it professionally.

John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Hill" <andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [OT][ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects


> Ok, so its not Friday, but Im always in the mood for tech-nostalgia... ;-)
>
> I remember teaching myself C back in 1990 on my Amiga 2000 (using the
> Lattice compiler & a copy of K&R).
> Laughing at the poor MAC+ users I knew with their clunky one button mice
and
> tiny black & white displays. (If I recall rightly the multitasking in the
> MacOS back then wasnt even preemtive?)
> Ah the good ol Amiga. A far more worthy home for the Motorola 68000...
> Keep the faith! Amiga shall return!
>
> Wonder if it will be back in time to run Struts1.1 final? hehe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@tessco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 19:43
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects
>
>
> .NET is a framework, not a programming language, and you can use Java to
> develop within it (albeit JDK 1.1 at this time).  In fact, it will not be
> long before you can use any language to develop within it, and look for a
> Linux version in the near future.
>
> <dating-myself>I taught myself C on a Mac Plus (which I personally
upgraded
> from a "Fat Mac") using Symantec's Think C 5.0</dating-myself>, but I've
> lost touch with Apple technology over the years (though I've bought my
kids
> IMacs and I still have a MacIIsi and Centris 610), but I'm sure it's worth
> investigating.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Brown [mailto:adrianjonbrown@yahoo.com.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:59 PM
>
> Noting the spirit of open comment and criticism on
> Struts-alternative products in the J2EE community, I
> was mildly surprised to search the archives of
> theserverside and the Struts users list and find no
> reference to 'Apple Web Objects'.
>
> I was wondering if anyone had come across them in
> their travels. Their WYSIWYG approach is attractive,
> throwing away servlets and jsps does worry me but if
> it is still Java then it is still preferable to .Net,
> right? I may even be able to keep my EJBs ...
>
> At US$1500 for a licence, is it worth looking into
> further?
>
>
> Home page:
> http://www.apple.com/webobjects
>
> Flashy pic:
>
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/webobjects/WebObjectsOverview/WOHTML/ind
> ex.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adrian
>
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