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From "James Higginbotham" <jhigginbot...@betweenmarkets.com>
Subject [OT] RE: DAO or ... ?
Date Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:39:06 GMT
I'm still learning about patterns on my C=128 and Run Magazines that I
picked up at a Goodwill for $20.. Oh, man - 80 col mode... <drewl/>

Is it Friday yet?

James

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Trevino [mailto:dantrevino@bluemagnet.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:08 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: DAO or ... ?
> 
> 
> I remember learning about patterns while programming my 
> Sinclair ZX81 and copying programs out of Compute! magazine 
> for my C64.  LOL.
> 
> On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 16:02, Jerry Jalenak wrote:
> > You guys have it lucky to even know what a pattern is.  I graduated 
> > with a C.S. degree in 1983 - object oriented programming barely 
> > existed then, let alone taught.  Matter of fact we were required to 
> > learn IBM Assembler, and either COBOL or PL/1 as a graduation 
> > requirement!  If I remember right, my "Software Engineering" class 
> > dealt with writing a basic compiler for a COBOL-type 
> language (written 
> > in assembler, or course).  You ought to be where I am 
> trying to play 
> > catch-up on all of this Java / web / struts / .... stuff 
> while trying 
> > to deliver projects on time and budget!
> > 
> > Jerry
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Owen [mailto:johnlowen_bham@hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:45 PM
> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: DAO or ... ?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > We were taught algorithms and finite state machines, but I
> > > don't remember
> > > any design pattern coverage. I graduated in 1994 and other 
> > > than that, they
> > > perfectly prepared me for my future as a developer. We 
> > > covered many software
> > > design principles in my Software Engineering classes, but the 
> > > memory is so
> > > vague that I can't recall if anything was categorized 
> into patterns.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chappell, Simon P" <Simon.Chappell@landsend.com>
> > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:33 PM
> > > Subject: RE: DAO or ... ?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have no idea whether they teach patterns in University. I
> > > graduated in
> > > 1990 and we didn't even have the Internet back then let alone 
> > > Patterns!
> > > 
> > > Jacob: How about it my friend? Do they teach patterns in the UW?
> > > 
> > > Simon
> > > 
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Wendy Smoak [mailto:Wendy.Smoak@asu.edu]
> > > >Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:29 PM
> > > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > > >Subject: RE: DAO or ... ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> It's called experience .... it's why they pay us old guys
> > > >more than you
> > > >young bucks! ;-)
> > > >
> > > >LOL!  It's also called being absolutely CERTAIN that someone has 
> > > >solved this problem before, and not going off reinventing the 
> > > >wheel.  As an aside, are
> > > >patterns being taught in computer science?  I'm working on a
> > > >degree and the
> > > >senior-level course I'm taking this semester has been the
> > > >first time I've
> > > >seen a lecture about them.  And then he only covered 
> three (Factory,
> > > >Abstract Factory and Singleton) and not very in depth at that.
> > > >
> > > >I like Applied Java Patterns by Stephen Stelting & Olav 
> Maassen.  
> > > >While the GoF book is surely timeless, I'm guessing the examples 
> > > >are not written in
> > > >Java.  With Applied Java Patterns (and Core J2EE Patterns) I
> > > >can cut and
> > > >paste and have a head start on the implementation.
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Wendy Smoak
> > > >Applications Systems Analyst, Sr.
> > > >Arizona State University PA Information Resources Management
> > > >
> > > 
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