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Subject RE: Struts 1.1 Release
Date Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:02:22 GMT

I would never acuse any of the commiters on this project of being slackers

Maybe of being workaholics - sadly, like me - but that's another thread.

"Craig R. McClanahan" <> on 10/15/2002 07:54:28 PM

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Subject:    RE: Struts 1.1 Release

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 wrote:

> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:46:01 -0400
> From:
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <>
> Subject: RE: Struts 1.1 Release
> > I totally understand and agree with the release policy, but I think
> worth remembering that a lot of these
> > questions are driven by the constraints of users' environments - e.g.
> corporate environments like ours, there
> > any many people like myself continually fighting to get great open
> products like Struts into the organisation
> > so that development teams can use them, and the latest versions of
> However, this has to be done within the
> > processes and policies that apply to any third party software,
> or otherwise.
> Not trying to whine - but I fight the same battles. I work for a big,
> conservative company. Telling people it's a 'beta' release - regardless
> what that means - makes it much more difficult to get things approved.
> Probably a greater percentage of your users than you realize are still
> using 1.02 for the sole reason that 1.1 is still called 'beta'. Worse,
> probably a lot of projects have started off that had to use 1.02 because
> was the 'stable release' - and then the development teams struggled. I
> one project dump struts because they had trouble getting it to do what
> wanted (they were forced to use 1.02).

You guys's whines are not half as loud as my wails when I consider how
long 1.1 has waited for a final release :-(.  Unfortunately, schedules are
one of the prices when it's an all-volunteer effort (no, Sun doesn't pay
me to work on Struts, and what they do pay me for is very very

Recently, we've added a couple of additional committers -- in part, to
help eliminate the existing backlog of bugs (but also, of course, to build
up the team that will come up with future things to top Struts 1.1 :-).  I
hope to see improvement -- but it's not rational to try to make any
promises when none of us can control the amount of time we have available
to devote to finishing Struts 1.1.

Craig McClanahan

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