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From "Hajratwala, Nayan (N.)" <nhajr...@ford.com>
Subject RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
Date Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:13:08 GMT
Actually, the case is more impressive than you describe.

Struts won out over several custom frameworks that currently exist within ford and have quite
a bit of political clout behind them.  What won out in the end was that there was no good
cost-effective support model for the internal frameworks.  Too many resources would have to
be spent supporting/updating the alternatives.

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- Nayan Hajratwala
- Chikli Consulting LLC
- http://www.chikli.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin.Bedell@sunlife.com [mailto:Kevin.Bedell@sunlife.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:59 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Cc: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford




I agree here -

The typical big company response would've been to build their own custom
framework from the ground up. The fact that they chose to start with Struts
shows they put a good deal of thought into it and trusted the quality of
the work. It's very likely that they had internal projects be successful
using Struts and then ramped it up as a standard. I'm sure they did a great
deal of testing on it and had some camps pulling to build something custom.
There were likely other competing frameworks as well.

This is one of the greatest strengths of Open Source - as a large company
you can take the app and customize to your internal environment. For
example:

 - You could create abstract 'model' components that standardize they way
people throughout the company perform database access (or web sevice
access).

 - You could customize it to provide a standard method of acquiring and
storing user credentials so that all applications manage user information
the same way.

 - You could implement plug-ins to perform custom and standardized logging
(assuming there is a standard logging process already in place).

The possibilities are endless -

I'll bet anything this is not the last time we here of a Fortune 500
company adopting Struts for intrnal development.










                                                                                         
                                             
                                                                                         
                                             
             "Craig R. McClanahan"             To: Struts Users Mailing List <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
                         
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On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Karr, David wrote:

>
> It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate
> that they stopped at b2.  There were numerous fixes put in after b2,
> including the entire Struts-EL contribution.  Hopefully they can upgrade
> their support pretty quickly.
>

Don't give them too hard a time about this.

It's absolutely appropriate for organizations responsible for mission
critical software to be conservative in their version choices -- and every
such organization I'm familiar with puts any potential new version through
very extensive testing (for example, against existing apps or against any
in house customizations they did to the previous version) before putting
their stamp of approval on it.  Struts 1.1b3 hasn't been out long enough
to go through a cycle like that -- and, if I were in their shoes, given
the timing, I'd probably just skip certifying b3 and go certify 1.1 final.

What I'm very pleased about, though, is that Ford "gets it" in a different
respsect -- they didn't consider "beta" to be a four-letter word :-).

Craig


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