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From "Mark Galbreath" <mark_galbre...@qat.com>
Subject RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
Date Mon, 03 Mar 2003 22:02:33 GMT
You guys are soooooo easy!

Mark, the Master Bater


-----Original Message-----
From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:Simon.Chappell@landsend.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:00 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)


I have no intention of arguing this one. I've seen shell scripters that
could run rings around some java programmers. The language is rarely the
issue. The skill of the programmer is the issue. Text editor usage is only
an observable trait in skilled programmers.

Simon

>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 3:56 PM
>To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
>
>
>There have also been studies that show perl programmers are
>generally better 
>than java programmers.
>
>David
>
>
>
>>From: "Chappell, Simon P" <Simon.Chappell@landsend.com>
>>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
>>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
>>Subject: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
>>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:38:25 -0600
>>
>>Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and
>programmer ability.
>>
>>It is my personal observation that the better programmers use
>text editors.
>>(vi or emacs or jedit or vim ... I don't care ... that's not
>the argument
>>here). I'm not quite saying that IDEs are bad, although I'm certainly
>>tempted to say that some days, but programmers who CAN 
>program with text
>>editors and command-line tools are orders of magnitude better
>than those
>>who can't. You are more than welcome to tell me that you
>believe this is
>>not so, but I have observed it enough that, to me, it is a truism.
>>
>>Simon
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@hotmail.com]
>> >Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:56 PM
>> >To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
>> >Subject: RE: [OT]: What is vim?
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are a LISP 
>> >> >weenie with a masochistic bent.  And any non-dot-completion 
>> >> >editor refines your sense of
>> >> >the API because it forces you to RTFM.
>> >> >
>> >> >Mark
>> >
>> >I use an ide and am referencing javadoc all the time anyways. I 
>> >don't see any correlation between ide use and api ignorance.
>> >
>> >David
>> >
>> >
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