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From "Jeff Smith" <je...@centralscheduling.net>
Subject Re: [OT] Learning Curve Management or Confusions of a Newbie
Date Fri, 07 Mar 2003 20:11:58 GMT
Having started the thread, I would be cowardly indeed if I did not offer my
time. But being a newbie, my efforts are probably best focused on vetting
the implemented solution, rather than writing it. (I just don't know enough
about all this stuff yet to contribute much there.)

Jefficus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Van Riper, Mike" <mvanriper@verisign.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Learning Curve Management or Confusions of a Newbie


> I think the Java Tutorial "trail" approach would be a good fit for this:
>
>   http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/reallybigindex.html
>
> For example, there already is a "Creating a GUI with JFC/Swing" trail:
>
>   http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/uiswing/index.html
>
> Similar to this in concept, there could be a "Building a webapp with
Struts"
> trail. Granted, this may not belong in the "reallybigindex" maintained by
> Sun because Struts is under the Apache umbrella. However, it might be time
> to setup a "reallybigindex" for an online Apache Tutorial comprised of
> trails similar to the way trails are used in Sun's online Java Tutorial.
>
> Specifically with respect to learning Struts though, there is already a
> significant amount of online learning material to be found directly or
> indirectly from here:
>
>   http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/learning.html
>
> Still, I do see the value in having trails that organize some of the
online
> information in various trails to follow through this wealth of
information.
> I'm not sure how to go about initiating such a project at Apache, but, I
am
> willing to volunteer some time to contribute to the creation of a
"Building
> a webapp with Struts" trail. Does anyone else think this would be a good
> idea? Anyone else interested in volunteering some time to build a Struts
> trail? If there is enough interest, I would be glad to setup a separate
> mailing list for further discussion among interested volunteers on
creation
> of this trail.
>
> Thanks,
>   Mike Van Riper
>   mailto:mvanriper@verisign.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Simon Kelly [mailto:kelly@ipe.fzk.de]
> > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 1:01 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [OT] Learning Curve Management or Confusions of a Newbie
> >
> >
> > Jeff you are not alone in this.  I've been at this for six
> > months and have
> > gone through pretty much the same set of problems.  The thing
> > with what you
> > are suggesting (and this is only my opinion) is, "Who will do
> > it *AND* look
> > after it?".  The trouble is (and I have found this through
> > searching the
> > net) the shear volume of papers, documents, examples and
> > postings (150+ per
> > day) that would have to be referenced and collected to make
> > this of any use
> > to people.  And I have to say, I DO NOT want the job :-)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Smith" <jeffs@centralscheduling.net>
> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <struts-user@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:05 AM
> > Subject: [OT] Learning Curve Management or Confusions of a Newbie
> >
> >
> > I have to confess, I'm a newbie. I've been a C/C++ programmer
> > for 20 years,
> > but after dinking around for a few months with ASP, VBScript,
> > PHP and a few
> > other technologies, I decided that Java was the language to
> > build my web
> > apps in.
> >
> > A month ago I was completely cold. Didn't know the first
> > thing about any of
> > this stuff. But I knew I wanted to learn it, so off I went,
> > marching into
> > the high weeds. First I had to learn Java. Then came servlets
> > and JSPs and
> > Tomcat. And along that path I also had to absorb Ant. And
> > JUnit. And Log4J.
> > And then there was a bunch of time lost exploring
> > NetBeans/Eclipse/WebSphere
> > before settling on JEdit as my environment of choice.
> >
> > Then came Struts, and all the various taglibs. An experiment
> > with Cayenne.
> > And Cactus. And god-knows what else I've explored.
> >
> > And through it all, I am continually amazed at the strength
> > and breadth of
> > the resources and support available. And equally frustrated
> > by it. I can
> > never remember where I saw a particular bit of information. So when I
> > finally learn enough to understand what Ted was talking about in his
> > monograph on Connection Pooling, I can't remember where I saw it.
> >
> > And when I want to learn enough about EJBs to figure out if I
> > need to care
> > about them, or if they are relevant to my planned project, I
> > have to wade
> > through another day of voluminous coverage before I have
> > enough of a handle
> > on what they are to make some intelligent guesses about where
> > to look next.
> >
> > My point is that I believe the Apache/Java/Struts/...
> > universe is quickly
> > reaching a point where its very breadth is becoming a barrier
> > to entry for
> > people who don't have a couple of months to devote to bootstrapping
> > themselves.
> >
> > Is there any thought being given to creating a higher-level resource
> > interface that could serve as a single point of reference for
> > all things
> > Apache? (I realize that "all things java" would be going way
> > too far.) As a
> > simple solution, if every document in the Apache
> > infrastructure had a meta
> > tag that listed the questions answered by the document, then a very
> > powerful, automated FAQ could be maintained. And such a
> > system would make it
> > much easier (I believe) to find things quickly than simply
> > searching the
> > site for key words.
> >
> > This may not be the best (or only) solution, but I do believe
> > that for all
> > the very specific support and discussions there are, there is
> > really very
> > little over-view material to assist newcomers or people looking for
> > information outside of their core area.
> >
> > Or maybe I'm the only one who feels overwhelmed by it all. :-)
> >
> > Jefficus
> >
> >
> >
>
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