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From "Brian Topping" <>
Subject RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
Date Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:56:32 GMT
I'd say that this probably stems from the fact that IDEs were generally trash
until recently, that there was always "one missing link".  The IDEs that are
worth learning have a pretty high learning curve.  The crew that "can't be
bothered to learn a complex IDE when the one they have is fine" generally
have a lot of past experience.  So what you see is not a truism, it's a
coincidence and a function of reinforced status quo. 

I agree with Max.  IJ, so long as they don't start charging obscene sums for
it, rules.  I bought an Apple TiBook recently because I wanted to "switch"
and JetBrains was starting to support the combo, but promptly sold it the
next day because IJ didn't run perfectly on it.  I have no time to code on
anything less these days.  M$ will eventually catch on that Java is kicking
their arse because of IJ, but until then, it's that good.



-----Original Message-----
From: Chappell, Simon P []
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:38 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)

Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer ability.

It is my personal observation that the better programmers use text editors.
(vi or emacs or jedit or vim ... I don't care ... that's not the argument
here). I'm not quite saying that IDEs are bad, although I'm certainly tempted
to say that some days, but programmers who CAN program with text editors and
command-line tools are orders of magnitude better than those who can't. You
are more than welcome to tell me that you believe this is not so, but I have
observed it enough that, to me, it is a truism.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Graham []
>Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:56 PM
>Subject: RE: [OT]: What is vim?
>> >
>> >VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are a LISP
>> >weenie with a
>> >masochistic bent.  And any non-dot-completion editor refines
>> >your sense of
>> >the API because it forces you to RTFM.
>> >
>> >Mark
>I use an ide and am referencing javadoc all the time anyways.  
>I don't see 
>any correlation between ide use and api ignorance.
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