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From "James Higginbotham" <>
Subject RE: [OT] IDE / ERD modeling (Was: Re: struts IDE)
Date Thu, 06 Mar 2003 16:53:37 GMT
I am an Emacs/JDE user myself, and I am beginning to look into Eclipse
only because it seems to make me more efficient with some tasks.. I
always liked the paradigm that VAJ provided but hated the repository due
to its difficulty in CVS integration. Eclipse is a nice middle ground,
giving me good codebrowsing, incremental compiling (showing what broke
after my recent change), etc. I still prefer the power of the emacs
editor and some of the JDE features match most of what I need in my
daily chores. I do find that the debugging is faster in Eclipse (but you
can't debug into a source you don't have in your project and you can't
open just any file - grrr), and tools such as refactoring and better
code complete is nice. I have yet to try the struts UI tools, since they
are mostly managing the XML files themselves (but I can see how they
help, I've just opted to not try them yet). So, I plan on using both
until I determine where my best efficiencies land and which one stays
out of my way the most and allows me to be productive. The key here is
that I'm trying to use it on one of my afterhours projects so I don't
take my effectiveness during the workday down too much, and I might try
it at work once I get comfortable enough to rebuld my project config
inside the IDE.  

As for ERD, I'm sure there are others out there but I've used ArgoUML in
the past - all Java, sortof a buggy UI with nuances to learn, but free
and exports to GIF and XMI. 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Becky Norum [] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:44 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [OT] IDE / ERD modeling (Was: Re: struts IDE)
> I've stayed quiet on this since I've used IDEs rarely.  I 
> stick with xemacs and vi when necessary.  I've been curious 
> how much an IDE like JDeveloper speeds up the process, once 
> you are familiar with it.  I tried it for a couple of hours 
> once, but found it kind of a pain to use.  Is spending time 
> learning one's way around really worth it?
> OTOH, there are times when a typo in my struts-config.xml or 
> web.xml waste an hour or two my time, and having some sort of 
> validation would be great.
> And _really_ off-topic, what do you folks use for ERD 
> modeling in *nix? 
> I haven't been able to get DIA or xfig to generate decent 
> looking .eps for papers, so I.. um.. do them in Windows.  Any 
> other (free - we are a poor academic research center :D) 
> modeling software out there people use?  Or tips on 
> maximizing xfig/DIA?
> -- 
> Becky Norum <>
> Becky Norum
> Database Administrator
> Center for Subsurface Sensing and Imaging Systems (CenSSIS) 
> Northeastern University
> > 
> > --- Dejan Krsmanovic <>
> > wrote:
> > > I have used 9.0.3 for building few struts
> > > applications and I can say it
> > > saved me a lot of time. They have integrated few
> > > wizards for working with
> > > config files and support for taglibs (autocomplete
> > > etc.). However I have
> > > found few bugs (for example when specifying data
> > > source configuration in
> > > struts-config). Also, there was no support for tiles
> > > and validator.
> > > 
> > > These days I saw Oracle has released maintainance
> > > version -, but I
> > > haven't downloaded it yet.
> > > 
> > > Dejan
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